now, dolly is hurting financially, even after selling montpelier. she hires jennings out to work in the james pulp white house so he has a second experience working in the white house. at one point, the president and dolly gave him permission to go back to virginia to visit his family, but he stayed longer than dolly approved. now he was on her bad side. he determined that he could wait no longer for his otonomy r for his freedom. that's when he went to daniel webster, and even as a slave, it helped to know people in high places, and webster, jennings knew that webster had come to the aide of other slaves in need, but he said hi could never own a slave so his mo was to extend the purchase price and then have the newly freed individual work for webster in his household to pay off the purchase price, and that's the deal that he struck with jennings. dolly sold jennings for $200. webster allowed jennings to pay back the purchase price at the rate of $8 a month. he freed him immediately. finally, at age 48, paul jennings is a free man. his story after h

by others but eventually charlton heston became a spokesman for that faction and now we have way montpelier firmly in the saddle and politically is a different organization from what it was in 1960. clearly. it's also been able to raise huge amounts of money and because maybe the most powerful lobby here in washington and it plays basically in the backlash of people's fears. if crime is rising and police can't do anything about it, how are we going to keep ourselves from being robbed, murdered and so on. when he firearms in the nra has been playing on that line for many years. >> guest: is crime is rising in the 80s and early 90s, crack and more sophisticated god, congress acted again. really only the third time they reacted. the brady bill and the assault weapon ban. how does that fit into the chronology? >> guest: well, you had the attempted assassination of president reagan. took in 10 years to come around to supporting a stronger measure. he eventually did of course, the brady bill. he wrote an op-ed in "the new york times," which i'm sure everybody in the nra has forgotten about, but i

i had the good fortune a couple years ago to reopen, rededicate his home, montpelier, in virginia. they had reconstructed husband library to the extent -- his library to the extent they could, and the people taking me around, les a great deal of jealousy among the founders. this is madison's library. he didn't have as many books as jefferson, but he read them. [laughter] and i said, i mean, and jefferson wasn't there at the time of the constitution. of -- he was off doing other work. he did the declaration of independence, but it's very interesting. particularly, again, i'm sure this is a perspective, he and john marshall were cousins. and it's a strong word, they hated each other for a lot of reasons, going back into the midst of history of their family, but also because marshall -- you forget this, with the jefferson aside and it was an important distinction, a lot of the founding fathers were war heroes first and foremost. you think of alexander hamilton, john marshall, you don't always think of how they became who they were. marshall was at valley forge. he behaved heroically i

i had the good fortune a couple of years ago to dedicate his home in montpelier, virginia. they reconstructed his life as best they could. there is a great deal of jealousy among the founders. mrs. madison library, he did not have as many books as jefferson, but he read them. [laughter] and i said jefferson was not there at the time of the constitution. he was off doing other work. he did the declaration of independence. he and john marshall were cousins. it is a strong word, but they hated each other. before a lot of reasons going back into the midst of the history of their families, but also because -- with jefferson aside, and it is an important distinction, a lot of the founding fathers were war heroes. you think of alexander hamilton, john marshall, you don't think about how they became who they were. marshall was at valley forge. he behaved heroically in a number of engagements. and he resented the fact jefferson did not participate in an enterprise. but i have gotten off on a tangent. but madison wrote the constitution. he is my favorite. >> what has surprised you th