. >> that's true, but when i go to montpelier and i look at the menus. lobster?obster at montpelier, where did it come from? i suspect the food did have some problems. people had dysentery quite frequently. >> what was the great regret of madison's life? >> slavery. he hated slavery. he was born into -- >> a family with slaves. >> exactly. he knew it was wrong. he lamented it, but he couldn't figure out how to get out of it. if you freed your slaves, they couldn't stay in virginia. that was a law in virginia. neighboring states said they couldn't come there. at the end of his life, madison and some other great men of the early period formed a society to colonize freed slaves to liberia. the problem was the slaves had grown up in the united states, they didn't want to live in liberia. you can kind of see madison clinging to this idea and just hoping it would help somehow but he died. >> did madison and jefferson talk about this in letters? >> about slavery -- i cannot recall them talking about it in letters. >> because jefferson obviously accepted slavery. >> he d

the slaves at montpelier had been in virginia as long as madison family have. so it was a failed scheme from the beginning but you can see him just clinging to it not able to think of anything else that could give him the kind of hope he had as a young man that this awful institution could be done away with. >> maybe just to wrap up this part, could you say a word about madison, if madison where tonight, would you think that we have been through the basic principles embodiment in his work is? >> i think he would be appalled at the size and scope of the federal government. he would think that we have moved far away from the limited powers that were given by the constitution to the federal government. he might be somewhat gratified, so is this what would be much greater, it seems the ways in which the constitution still does prove itself relevant time and again. i was earlier telling the people a story, and it just occurred to me in the last few weeks, the supreme court is considering a case that involves whether the police should have the authority to search you

this is fm 96 am 550 montpelier people be back at the colby military writer symposium that after these import announcements. >> fair enough? thank you. only 50 copies. will have to work on that one. >> stop by the bookstore on the way out thank you again. take care. >> and please, sir, little slice of vermont. >> thank you. please say hi to my enough for me. i feel like ird know her. >> will take a group of vermonters. it's been consuming in terms of time. >> you are from chicago, right quick >> yeah. i did my show their couple times. >> it's gone from the finch now. but some of the southside have more classical education from the university of chicago. >> thank you again. >> thanks for the coffee. [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] >> how are you? your elevation to the sql this is being done? >> that it be great. i was here a few years ago. >> at such a coincidence. >> can i ask you a favor? >> that's okay. you've got plenty to talk about. you are timely, my friend. >> you want to talk about ukraine? >> i would like to talk about ukraine. >>