the slaves of montpellier had been in virginia as long as madison's family had soap was a failed schemerom the beginning. you could see him just clinging to it not able to think of anything else. that could give him a kind of hope he had as a young man that this awful institution would be done away with. >> maybe just to wrap up this part, say a word about his madison were here tonight, would he think that we have been true to the basic principles embodied in his work? >> i think he would be appalled at the size and scope of the federal government. he would think that we moved far away from the limited powers that were given by the constitution to the federal government. he might be somewhat gratified though his disappointment would be much greater at seeing ways in which the constitution does still prove itself relevant time and again. i was earlier telling some people a story that it just occurred to me in the last few weeks the supreme court is considering a case that involves whether you should -- with the police should have the authority to search your cell phone if they stop you f