i wonder if that's monty don feeling guilty himself. cos i don't think that serves any purpose, really, because ithink, you know, you... i think what rewilding does, though — it's a story of hope and it turns people on. so we have tens of thousands of people now visiting knepp and our mailbag is absolutely astonishing, from the amount of people who come here and say, "i was so overwhelmed by the planetary crisis until i came here, and i've seen how nature can rebound so quickly in just less than 20 years, if you just let it. i now want to be able to do my own thing. can i contribute to this movement?" and it's people who want to rewild their churchyards, their gardens, their window box. and that is hugely galvanising and inspiring. we're all... we can all be part of this movement. it's not just for farmers and for large landowners. it's for everybody. you keep calling it a movement, isabella. is it a movement that you are seeing growing internationally? because i'm just wondering whether you really feel that knepp is part of something m

sort of suggested it might be a rather to your rather passe to weed your garden, but people like monty donweek to advocate weighed in this week to advocate for perhaps more traditional gardens. where do you stand on that? >> yeah, i think it's nice to have a balance, really. and i think there's a movement now towards letting nature do the work and to try to step back from things a little bit and allow nature to run its course . allow nature to run its course. and that's what i really support it. and i think plants want to grow, don't they? and i think we should allow them. and then when new plants move in, you know, it's like adding to your garden for free, isn't it? but i think the, the humans people can the, the humans and people can come in and our knowledge of how the plants behave and how they grow is what can help the garden to thrive. and so i think if we apply that knowledge and when we look at things, if we know that they're quite invasive and they're quite invasive and they're going to take over and dominate , then we thin those dominate, then we can thin those a little bit we ma