moody's index at a 70-year low. so what we're seeing more is clients really interested in getting into dividend-paying stocks when you have a 2% dividend yield on the s&p, that's pretty compelling >> xlu utility etf was up 10 or 11 days in a row some of these utilities which, by the way, are publicly regulated entities, are up 25 and 30% effectively in a year. are we getting a little bit silly in certain parts of the equity market? >> well, i think the equity market is silly because the bond market is irrational the bond market is irrational because, of course, the coordinated efforts of global central banks buying $14 trillion of bonds worldwide and many of those programs are still in place in fact here, even still here in the united states. so, i think that if you look at the bond market, bond yields relative to where we should be in the economy, you know, we're growing at around 2% we've got another 1.5% inflation rate i think the ten-year should probably be at least 3 1/2 because these rates have been held artificially low and are lower abroad, we're probably the cleanest shirt in the laundry basket so we are getting those fund flows. i do think,