moonves said that. >> les moonves.came out and said it. >> sure. >> and those graduate students said, why am i here in graduate school? i want to be investigative reporter. do i want to have to work for that? and my answer was, you don't have to work for that. you can be telling truths all the time, saying things from the point of view of the public, not from the point of view of conservativism. you have to find a niche where you can do it. you have to find a way to do it, and ultimately, the people in the press have to get the courage to stand up to it. >> i know this isn't your field per se, but can you say a word about how they develop that? how does the press finds its spine? >> that's a good question. it finds its spine because otherwise it will be useless. otherwise all they will be is spokespeople for trump. that's all they're going to be. you know, okay, kellyanne, tell me what i should say today. okay, kellyanne, i'll just say it. yes. and when they know it's false. why are they in the business? why are they -