commissioner moran? vice president moran: we have had this before us before, and i think this is the first time we have been asked for action. >> this is correct. vice president moran: there is the frustration of dealing with 100% of the problem, controlling 17% of the solution, and it can lead us into some odd places, and we have had some discussion on this, but it kind of forces us to deal with behind the meter solutions. those tend to be small and fairly expensive, and some of the opportunity that you get through either treasure island or hunters point or cca i think present economies of scale and direct control of the decision making that can serve us well. one of the frustrations i have with this strategy is it pretty much deals with the world as it is, without looking more aggressively to where we can be going. those functions. so that is a frustration. one thing that was kind of tantalizing was chapter 6. it deals with a lot of different funding sources that may be available. it deals with some of

vice president moran: i can find it for you. commissioner torres: i thought we had tried not to make that? vice president moran: it is in the report. >> just from recollection, i think the only area where we talk about specific dollar amounts was with the funds we are receiving as a result of the transby cable. is that it? vice president moran: that is not it. i will provide you with that citation. president vietor: is there something else before we move this forward? is there any problem with voting this to the next meeting i know that the gentleman is eager to keep this widget voting this to the next meeting? i know that the gentleman is eager to get this going. -- is there any problem with voting this to the next meeting? i know that the gentleman is eager to get this going. vice president moran: an outline without dollar commitments in it, i think it would be fine. if we could pass that today, with the expectation that that would be corrected, that is fine. if you want to take time to dot all the i's and cross all the t's, t

commissioner moran is right. what i would ask, given the sensitivity about spending money, is that you keep commissioner torres. provide a simple explanation to the public so they can understand why this is necessary now. the employees need efficient, safe places to work. safety is a concern, just like the seismic condition was a concern. that is easy to get behind. we have been to budget cuts. everyone has been to budget cuts. i was not here for your budget hearings. it is hard to justify in these times. to the extent we can make this simple for people to understand, that would be very appreciated. president vietor: i think with this communication strategy project that if we can come up with a series of explanations that are easily accessible and simple for the public to understand on the special financial pieces, but also the effect it might have on the rate payer or the user, it would be helpful. and guess that is a challenge for the communications team. anything else on number 11? >> item 12, a discussion of

president vietor: as by commissioner moran. commissioner torres: i would hope commissioner moran would second. vice president moran: i am getting confused. the first one -- the second one, to forward this to the board. that is fine. the third is that we direct the general manager for the recommendations contained in this plan better for items under control of the commission. -- this plan that are four items under control of the commission, -- that are for items under control of the commission, and the next is to come back, and i guess my question is whether we should add to that including a plan for the finances. commissioner torres: that was part of my motion. i was hoping you would set and it. -- second it. vice president moran: you are way ahead of me, as usual. >> one was to remove this is a dollar amount. -- this specific dollar amount. >> you can just do that administratively. president vietor: there is a motion on the table, seconded korea of those in favor? -- all of those in favor? >> there are others who will, aside f

vice president moran: i have two requests. both are aimed at our resources acquisitions, and the first part of it is a request for staff suggestions as to a unit cost limits -- as to unit cost limits, so within the water enterprise, i would assume there is a different cap, versus conjunctive use, but i would like a proposal as to what reasonable caps should be, and that would be for all three water enterprises, and the second request is for some thinking from staff. if we are trying to put together research portfolios that are a combination, -- i think the answer may be yes, but i think we should think about it and articulate it. and, i guess, a third part, i would like early on an estimate as to how long that process will take to come back to the commission if it is going to be any significant length of time. i would like to entertain some objectives on that. part of what this comes from is that as we have been meeting and approving projects and budgets over time, i have been trucking costs, as you know, and for the water pro

vice president moran: do we have a schedule on that? >> that has not been through the environmental process and we're still working on the project description and design. currently, i believe that is scheduled for implementation by 2015 or 2016. vice president moran: it is almost a cash flow type of an issue that we have. some degradation of capacity -- we have some steps that can come in to fill that void overtime and part of what we will need to be looking at is how those will piece together. >> absolutely. the one saving grace is usage. consumption being down. vice president moran: how those things come together -- how we can supply someone with water whether it is needed or not. how we meet the needs of going down and how we bring us together is going to be interesting. thank you. president vietor: it would be great to get a visual chart that is simple at a glance. some conjunctive ground water use -- maybe some fancy ven diagram that shows the consumption and what the interaction is. a snapshot to be able to look at this informatio

vice president moran: it does not go to the next? >> we have to have a level of performance to deal with the impacts of flooding. vice president moran: we are really at the ground stages of developing a triple bottom line. i will need more quantitative stuff. the idea of doing a ranked choice assessment for each of the areas, i have a real problem. >> i think that is great. our watershed and planning staff have begun to develop a later date metrics type of approach -- have begun to develop a layered metrics type of approach. they might be able to make use of a modified approach. president vietor: commissioner moran, i know this is an area of interest for you, so maybe you can provide input so we can get it right at the outset. vice president moran: i appreciate that, but i do not know anybody who has done it right. whatever expertise they can bring to it, as a yell. yes, i will be glad to participate -- whatever expertise they can bring to but, as well. yes, i will be glad to participate. >> we will also be looking, and this is back

vice president moran: who covers the cost on the days that were lost? work started 24 days after the machine broke down. >> yes. do you want me to cover that now? vice president moran: no. i want you to answer my question. the covers that cost? >> part of the answer is on this slide here. he immediately entered into an agreement -- be immediately entered into an agreement with the contractor. we did not spend a lot of resources trying to establish responsibility. we agreed we would share ongoing costs until we could determine responsibility. interestingly, we never did exercise the agreement because we quickly found out the reason for the breakdown. i was going to cover that later. basically, the breakdown was due to defective --

president vietor: commissioner moran? vice president moran: i had a common myself, but i was not going to say anything. [laughter] the discussion shows how powerful images are. that is the reason we went through reprinting exercises -- rebranding exercises even though it is always hard for me to take them seriously. these are very powerful images that people respond to. moreover, and the process of coming up with these, it can be coming up with these, it can be used as an organizational,

vice president moran: that is not an objective. on the other hand, i do not want to avoid the fundamental projects. president vietor: yes, so maybe we can at least work towards it. what some of these markers might be, and bring it back. great. thank you. we appreciate that, commissioner torres. any other commission business? next item, please. secretary housh: the next item would be a report from the manager. >> the first is an update on calaveras. you approve the calaveras dam replacement project, and it gave us authority -- you approved the project. they did file an appeal on the calaveras dam eir, and that will be before the board budget committee tomorrow and before the full board next week. it has several components. i will try to give you an update on those. the first is that we will be paying $2 million. the $2 million would be to reimburse them for lost revenues for additional expenses because of the work being done over there. in some cases, it is about not having as many school groups go to that park area as they used to,

vice president moran: who covers the cost on the days that were lost? work started 24 days after the machine broke down. >> yes. do you want me to cover that now? vice president moran: no. i want you to answer my question. the covers that cost? >> part of the answer is on this slide here. he immediately entered into an agreement -- be immediately entered into an agreement with the contractor. we did not spend a lot of resources trying to establish responsibility. we agreed we would share ongoing costs until we could determine responsibility. interestingly, we never did exercise the agreement because we quickly found out the reason for the breakdown. i was going to cover that later. basically, the breakdown was due to defective -- to a defective gear box, which produces the energy for the cutter head -- short in answer, the contractor -- short answer, the contractor suffered the loss. putting it back, the lost time -- no. we have not started negotiation on this. we have yet to receive a change order. we had a team conduct a very thorough assessment of th

commissioner moran: of course, there are. it is government. [laughter] >> you do not want to hurry and get married to someone. we waited, and that is why i am trying to push to get it out on the streets as soon as possible so that they will know we are real this time, but i just wanted to make sure that we get the right team to work with for the next 15 years, because as i mentioned before, we saw a lot of turnover, and i just want to make sure that everyone is clear what our expectations are as far as needs on this program. commissioner: this is not an action item. this is basically for us to give feedback, and i guess the most meaningful feedback you have is that we are impatient. >> that is a good thing to hear. that means that you want us to go ahead and get the rfp on the streets. president vietor: anything else? the next item is for the waste water. before we get to that, any other reactions or input and we're looking for a staff on this? any public comment? ms. jackson? >> espinola jackson. i did not know i would be jumping up so much t

vice president moran: whenever you think. president vietor: i of the few things i would like to add offline. we can do that on more of a one- on-one basis. so we can be in this process so we can have a more productive, fruitful conversation in july -- it seems like we have the work- action sustainability plan, and we need to make sure he can get as much fun as possible. >> you are welcome. commissioner torres: also, july will be our test for certain forms and procedures. need to know enough in advance that we can pay proper attention to them. >> we have referred to july several times here. just as a side note, the last two years, the president is cameron clark. in cameron's husband died last night. there will be a memorial service this thursday. if you would like to be there, let me know. president vietor: thank you. >> the last item on the general managers' report -- do we have a bolt for sfpuc's investing in our community including a new web page and ways to talk about how people see the puc. we have asked mr. jue to talk a

in new york city this is "nightline," march 18th, 2011. >> good evening, i'm terry moran. and, american blood and treasure is on the line anew tonight as president obama prepares to take military action against libya, with u.n. backing, and in cooperation with france, britain and others. despite this pressure, libyan leader moammar gadhafi continued his bloody assault on the opposition, using tanks and heavy artillery to bombard towns. so, what price is the u.s. prepared to pay in libya? once again, afternoon a decade of war, a president is sending american troops into harm's way. >> there is no decision i face as your commander in chief that i consider as carefully as the decision to ask our men and women to use military force. >> reporter: but barack obama has now opened another front in america's wars, libya. >> cease-fire must be implemented immediately. that means all attacks against civilians must stop. >> reporter: for nearly a month now, ordinary libyans have risen up to rid their land of the 42-year dictatorship of gadhafi. and after some initial soaring successes

in new york city, this is "nightline," march 8th, 2011. >> good evening, i'm terry moran. tonight, we're going to begin with personal finances. jobs are still scarce and tax day is on the horizon, so many americans are feeling added pressure to get their financial houses in order. and for the millions of people who buy her books and watch her on tv, that's where suze orman comes in. but lately,orman has reversed some of the key points of advice she used to give. tonight, she tells vicki mabrey why. >> look how tall you're are. you're a real man. >> reporter: deonte murphy and his mom wanted to thank suze orman for making their american dream come true. last time they met was seven years ago. >> do you get an allowance? >> yes. >> how much do you get? >> $10. >> reporter: a chance encounter on his 10th birthday, where suze taught them both about saving. >> what if i told you, if you put it in the bank, the bank will pay you to put it there. >> reporter: his mother cut back on hair and beauty treatments and had money deticketed to start a 529 college fund for her son. >> it'