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i mean, we have heard calls from dr bale kirkup, who led the inquiry into baby deaths at morecambe bayent, we heard him say that there needs to be a much more rigorous focus on data so that when consultants for example, the consultants for example, the consultants here at the countess of chester, the paediatricians who tried to raise concerns, when they go to management, they have a rock—solid data to back—up their cases, ratherthan rock—solid data to back—up their cases, rather than a feeling that things were not right and that they did not have that sort of data, according to dr bale —— dr bill kirkup. now he is very well respected, he said that work is beginning to happen but it is far from being rolled out right across the health service, so i think there are lessons to learn like that, for example, and perhaps the warning systems that could be put in place could be much more effective. dominic, thank you, our health correspondent dominic hughes, he was outside the countess of chester hospital, and you heard that statement from the current medical director. ijust want statement fro

the gangmasters licencing authority set up in woke of the morecambe bay disaster with the cockle because also didn't achieve anything. a lot of these things are set up because it makes are set up because they it makes government like they're government seem like they're doing something but actually it achieves very little. and i guess question is the guess the second question is the timing . can we afford to start timing. can we afford to start spending millions and millions of pounds on these sink times at a time where we're all struggling to pay our bills ? no struggling to pay our bills? no you're right. >> and i do. well remember george osborne saying, remember other politicians saying in the in the past as well as, say, it's a very easy pledge to make cause because you can say, well, look, we need money for this particular project or this particular project or this particular policy . we we're not particular policy. we we're not going to put your taxes up in order to pay for it, but we'll just get rid of these quangos over here. but what you find is a lot of times is, yeah, they do

. >> it's morecambe bay east, kent shrewsbury and telford. they mid staffs , they keep coming. just walk away executives, they just walk away into hugely well—paid jobs , into hugely well—paid jobs, massive pension pots. no accountability. >> you want these management to potential face criminal charges, is that right? >> i'd like to see them in jail . i think i think we are not going have of any serious going to have of any serious change in the nhs until some of these people have been held to these people have been held to the highest account . there are the highest account. there are seven babies dead and six babies seriously injured by that mad woman and as we are on air, dan, it's saying detectives are now linking 12 other babies damaged, possibly by lucy letby. this is one of the biggest stories, amy. this is one of the biggest scandals in nhs history. and by the way , nottingham maternity the way, nottingham maternity hospital that's about to be the next biggest scandal. so these scandals keep coming and these overpromoted nurses with very limited abilities in many cases

. >> it's morecambe bay east, kent shrewsbury and telford. they mid staffs , they keep coming. just walk away executives, they just walk away into hugely well—paid jobs , into hugely well—paid jobs, massive pension pots. no accountability. >> you want these management to potential face criminal charges, is that right? >> i'd like to see them in jail . i think i think we are not going have of any serious going to have of any serious change in the nhs until some of these people have been held to these people have been held to the highest account . there are the highest account. there are seven babies dead and six babies seriously injured by that mad woman and as we are on air, dan, it's saying detectives are now linking 12 other babies damaged, possibly by lucy letby. this is one of the biggest stories, amy. this is one of the biggest scandals in nhs history. and by the way , nottingham maternity the way, nottingham maternity hospital that's about to be the next biggest scandal. so these scandals keep coming and these overpromoted nurses with very limited abilities in many cases

we've had a similar situation at furness general cumbria, the morecambe bay staffordshire, bay area oneort . okay, i'll more report. okay, i'll have more info of these coming your info on all of these coming your way shortly. but the reason i wanted to highlight is wanted to highlight that is because actually you wonder, well, why wasn't lucy letby caught this caught sooner? how was this allowed happen? why weren't allowed to happen? why weren't people her believed? people reporting her believed? why was part her mitigation why was part of her mitigation such defence? the fact that there was just general negligence going it's negligence going on? well, it's because and it's because of this stuff and it's because of this stuff and it's because hundreds and because there are hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of cases in this country of maternity ward scandals of baby death scandals. and when people say lessons will be learned over all of this or people will be held to account, well, no lessons have been learned, have they? because right now because here we are right now reporting a woman

if like 18 weeks, 1600 people, if they look 3000 people died in waiting lists in hospitals of morecambe bay trust, 1600 had been waiting longer than 18 weeks. but we're going to be putting those to labour's i >> -- >> is have we got we've got the shadow attorney general, emily thornberry . thornberry. >> emily thornberry. we've got the government on just after 9:00. >> so thanks very much indeed. come back and speak to us again. we'll get some reaction on come back and speak to us again. we'landt some reaction on come back and speak to us again. we'land we'lle reaction on come back and speak to us again. we'land we'll we'lltion on come back and speak to us again. we'land we'll we'll put on come back and speak to us again. we'land we'll we'll put thatn come back and speak to us again. we'land we'll we'll put that to this and we'll we'll put that to you after 7:00. thank you. let's go northern irish go to this northern irish situation. chief constable simon byrne. well have to byrne. he may well have to resign today. the police authority is meeting. let's go to dougie beattie , who will put t

chester mp samantha dixon and dr bill kirkup, who chaired the inquiry into failings at hospitals in morecambe baythat is a thrase public inquiries. yes. that is a phrase that — public inquiries. yes. that is a phrase that covers _ public inquiries. yes. that is a phrase that covers all. - public inquiries. yes. that is a phrase that covers all. and . public inquiries. yes. that is a phrase that covers all. and i l phrase that covers all. and i welcome — phrase that covers all. and i welcome that, _ phrase that covers all. and i welcome that, government | phrase that covers all. and i - welcome that, government intention to move swiftly. my concern is a non—statutory inquiry almost relies on the goodwill of the witnesses to attend, they are not obliged to attend. i think in a case as grave as this, if it is a judge led inquiry, they would need to do that. bill, you were involved in the inquiries in morecambe and east kent. they were not statutory inquiries, but what would be good to hear from you is what comes out of these inquiries, in whateverform they are in, what tangibly comes out that improv