morethan 7,000 demonstrators flood the capitol building to otest this bill this week. question, how big a victory is for governor walker? eleanor? >> it's -- n in his union busting because the way they got this through is they decoupled the budget part from the effort to str mo of the collective bargaining rights and passed it in the dark of yo legislators climbing through the ndows and to get a vote the and the polls in the and country show 2- 1 really don't appre of treating unions this way. so he wi e short-term, but he energized a labor movement that has really been sleeping for the last 30 years, and i think tha real backlash to thhealth benefitshe's done. , ideological. very different from mitch daniels in indiana who did this six years ago, and he is credible presidential candidate, whereas walker looks like a zealot. >> is this a defining moment for walker? it's defining for walker and for the country. obama declared there's an assault upon the unions. he had his organization working it, they maiv demonstrations in the capitol chanting, beating drums, they had