thirteen i'm joined by my guest in moscow jake up you know he's the chief economist at morgan stanley ben ayres he's the editor in chief of business new europe and you just laugh lisa volek he is the chief economist at deutsche bank russia all right gentlemen crossed out rules in effect i mean you can jump in anytime you want before we talk about the swat analysis of the russian economy ben i want to go to you i mean newsweek a few days ago a writer on matthews and we have ed lucas over at the economist they keep telling me for about a decade now that this economy is about to collapse now you're a journalist is well you don't say the same thing where's the disconnect. people tend to focus on the negative part of the story and the trouble at the russia story is that there are lots of problems and if you focus on those then you can forecast all sorts of gloom and doom the imminent collapse of the oil price that will bring the russian economy down in flames but the reality is that it continues to grind away and make progress and. you're i mean look at the the situation in europe and the facts in russia