maria: former morgan stanley chairman john ma mack is with m. just heard what president obama said. congress used to go out and have lunch together, have a coffee together. it seems there is so much tred, they can't get anything done. john: it's hard to get things done. but there is so much news that you are always looking for what is the story, everyone wants to say something different. i think that puts a lot of pressure on the politicians to respond. we want the news, we love cable news. but in my view there is so much attacking different congressmen whether it's the democrats or republicans it makes no difference. maria: there is the thinking maybe tax reform and infrastructure can go side by side and that's a way to get the democrats under the tent. you think that's critical. infrastructure. john: all you have to do is drive the streets of new york or la guardia airport and you see infrastructure is weak. the president and the leadership need to figure out a way to cut certain program to make sure we focus on infrastructure. our train syste