discussion because the resolve seconds of this draft resolution are very important as commissioner morian and commissioners have talked about. and what we will get to very quickly is with the expect to not to exceed rate would your recommendation be not to adopt those. >> that is correct we believe ts too high and would cause harmful public relations as far as the trust of the city and it's also unnecessarily high. with all do respect to staff and the efforts to get to this point this really is a matter of going out to the market with a lot of requirements placing all of theth requirements on a supplier in a market where a feud actions by the agency would significantly lower the cost basis of the service and those actions have not been taken there is a result that you have a very high price here. >> and so the danger is that under the statute 117 that the customerses that optout morian raised in in the meeting that in an experience with direct access has shown that the opt in inrates for the green access is effectively low and effectively you have loss the customer that is opt out and tha