>> well, i don't know what bishop morlino was thinking. i know paul ryan is being-- i mean, he keeps saying that it's according to his lights and how he understands faith. so i can affirm that. the problem is that our bishops firmly say that this budget's immoral. it fails the moral test. so there are some inconsistencies there. so i don't take the criticism as being, as, i don't know, as painful as it would be otherwise. >> and on the other hand, a parish priest in bishop morlino's diocese, who used to be the ryan family's pastor says ryan's austerity budget is inconsistent with catholic teaching. so robert, help us non-catholics sort this out. what's this debate all about? >> how much time have i got? well, look, one of the things we have to be clear about to begin with is how catholics think about moral principles. there are certain moral principles that are absolutes. you can't commit murder. you can't commit adultery. you can't steal. these are things that apply to everybody in every circumstance, without exception. when we step into