the flds are nothing, you know, they're not mormon at all. they've chosen to distance themselves from the lds church. they don't practice any of the beliefs. the only thing they really have going on is they believe in some of the same scriptures as some of the lds church, but they've taken their own take and put their own spin on it and things like that. you know, i think a lot of the outside world tends to group the two together, but mormon bees are no more -- mormons are no more flds than lutherans or catholic, you know? the lutherans chose to separate themselves from the catholic church or episcopal church or that far. they're their own religion, and the lds is their own religion. >> brower. this is his book, "prophet's prey." it comes out in october 2011, published by bloomsbury. >> senator daniel inouye, a democrat from hawaii s reading the lost symbol by dan brown and the fiery trial by eric foreign. >> visit booktv.org to see this and other summer reading lists. >> so i began two years before the bombs began to fall on cuba, exactly tw

i'm very proud of my mormon heritage.lationship where mary kaye draws from an episcopalian background you blend traditions, backgrounds and try to raise your kids in a responsible fashion and come up with something that's kind of a hybrid model. first and foremost it puts god at the center of your life. >> one of your daughters married in an episcopal church which raised a few eyebrows. i would imagine some opponents could use that as evidence that you are not proper mormons. what would you say to that? >> there are 13 million mormons around the world. it is increasingly a heterogenous, diverse bunch. and we add to the diversity. i come from a long history of rebel rousers. people forget to see that the mormon population is more diverse, more heterogenous, more free-thinking than people may give it credit for. >> you think you are the racy end of the mormon faith as opposed to boring mitt romney? >> you started by calling us boring and now you say i'm racier. i'll take it. >> it's been a pleasure to meet you both. now i w

hasa diga eebowai... ♪ hasa diga eebowai hasa diga eebowai... >> kroft: what the mormons don't know,t, is that the locals are flipping the finger at their heavenly father. >> f.u. to heavenly father? holy moly, i said it, like, 13 times! >> kroft: it is rude, crude, lewd, and blasphemous. but it hasn't kept critics from proclaiming "the book of mormon" the best broadway musical in a decade, or stop it from racking up nine tony awards. and for theater-going fans of trey parker and matt stone, it's exactly what they wanted and expected from the creators of "south park." >> matt stone: a lot of the stuff, the subject matter we've tackled, the way we found ourselves there is simply by trying to do something that no one else has touched. and so, it's like, "there's a reason why people haven't touched that." and we're like, "oh, really? because we want to do jokes other people haven't done, you know." >> kroft: are there lines that you won't cross? >> stone: no. i don't... yeah, we haven't found one yet. >> kroft: they are barely 40, and have already been collaborating for 20 years. they m

big families, both mormons. lot of similarities there.ed to focus, as you say, laser-like on the economy and both with good records on the economy. is is your view of mitt romney? do you like him. >> i don't know him that well. i got to know him as governor. or my grandfather and his father knew each other 100 years ago. i respect him. i think he is a good man and i think he's got a terrific family. but when it comes to going up against barack obama in an election cycle that is going to be 100% about expanding the economy and creating jobs? being number 47 as job creator ain't going to cut it. we were number one in job creation. you think that works. creating obama care before obama, the most despised and reviled health care legislation in the history of this country, doesn't cut it and i think that will be terribly problematic. >> you've said it in a very nice way but what you're basically doing is knifing him straight in the back, aren't you? >> i'm just pointing out the facts. just pointing out the facts. >> yeah, but you've just taken

what we call the mormon factor. while it is the case that mormons are still less widely accepted than the jewish and catholics it is nonetheless the case that two-thirds of americans, 67% to be precise, approve of mormons. it is also the case that the hostility to mormons is equally prevalent among liberals and conservatives for very different reasons. approval rates for mormons, nine points higher among republicans than democrats and what they called the white evangelical -- the conventional wisdom not entirely about foundation in the 2008 presidential campaign was that evangelicals were they part of the opposition to mormonism and it turns out the survey reveals that only 34% of white evangelicals regard torments as christians. however, 66% of white evangelicals approve of mormons. what that suggests is that there are features of mormonism other than theology probably having to do with family values and a very traditional lifestyle that these cultural features of mormonism trump theological reservations even in th

"the book of mormon," how long did it take you to put that together? >> seven years. met him in 2004 and we found we had this weird fascination with mormons, both us and him and we started writing this musical and it took seven years. >> we wrote like an album first. we did a demo of our own album and had all the songs and then it was just -- doing stuff with real people of it's a lot ha harder -- >> jimmy: it's so funny. unbelievably funny. can i barely make it through one musical. i've seen it twice and i downloaded the soundtrack so i could listen to it. it is insanely offensive. i mean, just -- i look around and i know people know that they're there to see a comedy but i couldn't help the second time but really kind of look around the room just to see what people -- even i was like, oh, my god! i can't believe this is -- >> we had that every night because we had a month of previews where you are watching the show, there with the audience and we are standing in the back but you're fixing things and changing things to see what gets a good reaction and what doesn't.

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as far as feeling this is an anti-mormon book in any way. the flds are nothing -- you know, they are not mormon at all. they have chosen to distance themselves. they don't practice any of the police. the only thing they really have going on is they believe in some of the things of the scripture as the lds church. they have put in their own spin on it and things like that. a lot of the outside world tends to group the two together, but more men are no more flds that lutherans are catholics. you know, the lutherans chose to separate themselves from the catholic church or episcopal church or whatever. they are there and they and in the lds is there a religion. >> sam brower, this is his book, "prophet's prey" comes out in october 2011, published by bloomsbury. >> what are you reading this summer? booktv wants to know. >> well, i just finished reading decision points by president bush. it was really good. i enjoyed the conversational tone that he took in describing his presidency and the event, the big events like 9/11 and some of the other even

lured by the mormon mob religion, which was brought to reject the mormon religion, which was brought to the islands by a missionary -- lured to the mormon region, which was brought to the islands by missionaries, the have relocated to utah. >> island nations fly their flags at the cemetery. the landscape has barely changed since the first settlers came back in 1889. >> to the early hawaiians, they would look over that and say if you can imagine water between here and that mountain, that would look like home. his grandparents were one of two families that decided to stay. by maintaining the cemetery, he hopes to teach the younger generation about the sacrifices their ancestors made. >> the history of their forefathers ran very deep. this is where it started. when the second wave of pollinations emigrated in the middle of the 20th-century, they did not return here, finding work in the urban centers of nearby salt lake valley. many americans have grown accustomed to seeing tall, athletic pacific islanders on the football field. at brigham young university, the tribal tattoos have long b

my name is elder price... >> kroft: the musical is not just a satire of clean-cut, earnest mormons withfs. it's a playful send-up of all organized religion. >> elder young: ♪ hello. my name is elder young... ♪ hello. ♪ did you know that jesus lived here in the u.s.a.? >> kroft: it's the story of two mismatched missionaries, played by andrew rannels and josh gad, who are sent to africa to proselytize to pagans who have heard similar spiels before with no meaningful results. >> in this part of africa, we all have a saying. whenever something bad happens, we just throw our hands to the sky and say, hasa diga eebowai. >> josh gad: does it mean "no worries for the rest of our days"? ( laughter ) >> kind of. ♪ we've had no food for several days >> ♪ hasa diga eebowai ♪ and 80% of us have aids. hasa diga eebowai... ♪ hasa diga bo

in the south, the southern baptist believes that mormonism is an odd ball cult. you're left with michele bachmann, whoo is a goofier version of sarah palin than sarah palin. you have perry a texas aggie inco-heernt most of the time. >> but they're happy with the field. >> they have to -- herman cain, this is a guy -- he's like a bad caricature of a crazy old mr. brown in a tier perry movie. you have huntsman that has too much intelligence and sophistication for the new tea party republicans. there's no way tony perkins is happy with this field. impossible. >> thanks so much. we want you to answer tonight's question at the bottom of the screen. we want to know what you think. the republican war -- this is my hot story tonight. we didn't lead with it. the republican war on the postal service will hurt more people than you can ever imagine. i'll dismantle the smear campaign that is really going after and trying to kill a great american institution. postal workers are back fighting the fight. and they are protesting today. the head of the postal workers union will jo

it is surprising that a mormon can lead the pack. and he is. and rick perry, what is up with his shirt collars? >> they are the biggest collars. >> what is he, "baby face" nelson? the shirt collers should come with a gun. >> something you said 3w* putting the candidates together like the island of broken toys. i want to talk about something they said about perry and gingrich. >> i don't know how you would do this, but if you could take herman cane and made him up with newt gingrich you would have a couple of really interesting guys to work with. >> per vee supposed to be anti-science but he is clearly pro human centi peed. i give him a lot of props foreseeing a movie like that. i didn't think he was that edgy. >> i think he is great. >> the republicans are a devastate -- devastated party. what you have is what you have. the good thing about that -- have you gingrich who is an april rigs from the 90s. you have a cowboy who wandered in. from this, vote eshes are rational and you will get a highly electable person and it is mitt romney. he will be

a mormon is not going to carry the south. and on super tuesday you're looking at states like texas and oklahoma and virginia and tennessee. it's very difficult for a mormon to win those votes. i said on this program from the beginning of this pass that the rally was about going out there and say, look at me, i'm a christian, i'm not a mormon, vote for me. it's working very well for rick. >> jim moore, dave weigel, harold cook. stay with us. we're staying on the debate. we have a little bit more coming up. stay with us. we're right back. >> he had $800 billion worth of stimulus in the first round of stimulus. it created zero jobs. half of zero jobs is going to be zero jobs. >> the candidates were going after the president inside the debate. outside, tea partyers are still looking for a birth certificate. i thought we were done with that garbage. our debate discussion continues. >>> on jobs, the president sent his bill to congress. tonight, one staffer is admitting republicans will block the plan just to hurt the president. >>>

what we call the mormon factor.e that mormons are still less widely accepted than the jewish and catholics it is nonetheless the case that two-thirds of americans, 67% to be precise, approve of mormons. it is also the case that the hostility to mormons is equally prevalent among liberals and conservatives for very different reasons. approval rates for mormons, nine points higher among republicans than democrats and what they called the white evangelical --

president, are republicans ready for a mormon.ublican base is known to be distrustful of mitt romney as a mormon at best. that's the kind of thing people dwoe don't want to talk about but it's out there. >> liz, anita perry is suddenly doing a lot of campaign events, which is different. she didn't do that a lot when rick perry ran for governor. she's been in iowa this morning doing some events, clarifying the immigration position in a way that i thought, well, if rick perry said this on stage it might have gotten a little bit better. but he's saying he's not a good debater but he'll be better next time, i promise. >> the biggest candidate for a candidate is their spouse. we've seen this with a.m. romney and what she's doing to humanize mitt romney. but, you know, what i find interesting in all of this, and i raise this question, when was the last time that a candidate who was drafted into the race, not a candidate who actually wanted, like, said, i want to be president -- and i don't know the answer, but when was the last time one

, he would be the first mormon nominee for president. >> yes. >> do you think that we have progressed far enough as a country in terms of recognizing religion as no barrier to public office, that he could be nominated, he could win as a mormon? >> i hope so. i hope he wins -- i'm not taking any position. but i would be very pleased to see him win the republican nomination. i don't think anybody's going to beat obama next year. but my preference obviously would be for his religious faith not to be an adverse factor in the choices made about who should be representing the republican party. >> in terms of the election that you ran against ronald reagan in 1980, looking back at that election, it is -- it's not lost to history, but it is good to be reminded what a huge deal he made of the panama canal treaty. >> i know. >> and the way that was a major foreign policy issue at the time, a major foreign policy achievement of yours. he demagogued that as if panama was the 51st state and you were trying to give it away. >> he did that. >> he really did demagogue it. >> and that wasn't the only

so when mormonism came along, they practiced polygamy.muslims to today. >> well, the only person who ought to be impaiembarrassed by statement is the man who made that statement. religious liberty in this country is religious liberty. simple. >>> up next, republicans love chris christie because he's a tough guy, but that's exactly why so many democrats in new jersey actually don't like him that much. senator frank lautenberg actually calls him the king of liars and he's coming theory talk about it. you're watching "hardball" only on msnbc. [ doug ] i want to focus on innovation. but my data is doubling. and my servers are maxed out. [ male announcer ] with efficient i.t. solutions from dell, doug can shift up to 50% of his technology spend to innovation. so his company runs better, and so does doug. dell. the power to do more. and here's what we did today: supported nearly 3 million steady jobs across our country... ... scientists, technicians, engineers, machinists... ... adding nearly 400 billion dollars to our economy... we're at work

so when mormonism came along, they practiced polygamy.eved in polygamy, just like muslims do today. >> well, the only person who ought to be embarrassed by that statement or any of this awkwardness statement, is the man who made that statement. religious liberty in this country is religious liberty. simple. >>> up next, republicans love chris christie because he's a tough guy, but that's exactly why so many democrats in new jersey actually don't like him that much. senator frank lautenberg even calls him the king of liars, and he's coming here to talk about it. >>> you're watching "hardball" on msnbc. hey, check it out. she's using the mr. clean magic eraser bath scrubber. i've heard of it, but i haven't seen one up close. what's the word around the sink? that it removes 3 times more soap scum per swipe, and it came from outer space. it is not from outer space! no, man, it's from outer space. they're aliens on an intergalactic cleanliness mission. they're here to clean up the universe. oh, the kitchen scrubbers are aliens, too? yeah, look

sometimes he was trying -- he was a mormon for a little while, or he was sent to a mormon school for some training and then he was back and forth. many people sort of back and forth with different -- different religions until they find -- they come back to their own, to their native religion. and he learned to be a medicine man through a woman, which was pretty unusual. and he is very sought-after. he never advertises. medicine people do not ties what they do. i mean, they're not supposed to, he said. and people come to him, and he invited me to a three-day blessing ceremony, which was really one of the high points of this last decade of work. and i was the only person there who did not speak navajo. and i found that what was so wonderful about it in part was that it was so casual. everyone speaking navajo. there are very specific steps he took to help a man who was very emotionally troubled and at the same time, people were saying, hey, at the same time, can you hand me a coke over there. and it was just part of life. and it was -- it was terrific. and i asked the young man who was

equivalent of [making scooby doo noises] how would jon huntsman, the second most popular, hand some mormonxgovernor in the field. how would he distick him himself. >> the party in the stage is in danger of becoming antiscience. who is antiscience? >> what you make comments that fly in the face of what 98 climate scientists have said, when you call into question evolution, all i'm saying is that in order for the republican party to win, we can't run from science. >> jon: how can you deny the science of evolution. with my science answer you just saw we dissolve into someone with no chance of winning the republican nomination. they'll never accept it. [ laughter ] congressman ron paul who is seemingly knowing that his opportunities to talk would be scarce. >> these tsa agents are abusive. sometimes they they are accusedf all kinds of sexual activities. air conditioning out of green zen, the troops need come home. i could get you a dmoon of gasoline for a dime. we could secure the borders a barbed wire fence with machine guns. that would do the truck trick. -- do the trick. i don't believe tha

what makes you a great poker player is your ability to bluff, like a mormon trying to convince people that he has ever played poker. [laughter] and folks, i was blinding sided, blind sided when something wolf blitzer said actually informed me. jim? >> governor perry, as you well know, you signed an executive order requiring little girls, 11 and 12-year-old girls to get a vaccine to deal with a sexually transmitted disease that could lead to cervical cancer. >> i'm a mom, and i'm a mom of three children. and to have innocent little 12-year-old girls be forced to have a government injection through an executive order is just flat out wrong. i'm offended for all the little girls and the parents that didn't have a choice. >> stephen: bachmann, of course, always strongly pro-choice, as long as that choice is cervical cancer. besides, we all know, folks, we all know... [cheering and applause] we all know what getting this vaccination is going to lead. to >> some conservatives think that by giving a young girl this vaccination, it encourages her to have premarital sex. >> i don't know. i hav

here. >> we have two presidential candidates who are mormon. >> bill: it doesn't matter.tream religions in the country are represented. >> you know archbishop dolland doesn't have a problem with this. >> i know he doesn't. i have a problem with it? >> traditionally feisty territorial sects have no problem with it. there really has to be an attempt to balance. by framing it in the -- and i really have to defend mayor bloomberg in this. in couching it in terms of celebrating the victims' lives. i mean, have you had billy graham down there. >> bill: you can do both. >> you know physically what the layout is. >> bill: go down there, we can work them all. in they would all be there. >> my friends, the cops are really angry at him. >> bill: of course and they should be. >> they should be and perhaps he could have done it more delicately. i understand what he is trying to do. >> bill: you understand what he is trying to do. it's not respectful. >> what about the indian chiefs? >> bill: the indian chiefs, geraldo? >> seek political correctness. >> bill: i don't want anything to d

host: mitt romney on his mormon is some -- mormonism. guest: i asked him about this idea that a lot of folks think it is a cult. he went on to explain as long as we share the same values, that is all that is important. i think for mitt romney, it is not as much a big deal in 2012, at least publicly. economic concerns, a tea party and all that. with rick perry getting in the race, he also has michele bachmann and rick santorum doing the dirty work for him. he can come across as the mainstream guide. host: this is from a research poll that came out in may. what are the chances that you would vote for mitt romney as a mormon? 44% saying they would not vote for a mormon candidate. guest: this is clearly a problem. that is why i mention that it has not been a public issue. privately, there'll be quite a few evangelicals that will not even take a look at him for that reason alone. that is why you will not see him compete this heavily in iowa this time around. he will make a plague in south carolina. -- play in south carolina. host: michael is

actually, among republicans, they are more uncomfortable with a fox commentator than they are a mormon. >> who is the fox commentator. >> any fox commentator. >> bill: that's b.s. i was going to say a bad word there but i didn't. huckabee. mike huckabee very high in the polls and is he a fox commentator. it's another snarky, you know, little dig that she specializes in. and now she is the woman who is going to be covering the white house for cbs. i was surprised because cbs' plan as you know is to go back to the hard news, no bias, let's just give them the facts. >> right. when the new management took over a few months ago, they held a big, big staff meeting. and jeff bigger, the head of cbs news said if you have an agenda, find another place to work. that's a good thing to say. i have known jeff for a. >> bill: is he a good guy. >> and he cares about this kind of stuff. >> bill: he does. >> maybe he told her keep your liberal opinions to yourself when you are at the white house. bill, there is a much bigger much more important point to make. no network would hire as its chief white ho

for the facts i write nonfiction, so that's kind of the hand tight been dealt with the mormon history one of my favorite people to write about was this guy named walter murray gibson who wasn't really a con man, but he, a brigham young for instance in a sending him to hawaii as a mormon representative and he kind of beacon for a while the head of the church in hawaii and the mormon since settled on the island of lanai which even now is probably the sleepiest of the major hawaiian islands and walter murray gibson his dream was to build an empire in the pacific that he would lead so his journals and diaries are so fascinated just where he is on this sheep meadow in hot line and thinks that he's going to rule the pacific ocean and it's just a very floury and, you know, she sees this crater where he and these poor mormons that he is in charge of live as this creature filled with babies and old leal and memories of me eventually the higher ups in salt lake got wind of him and what he was doing. he had a lot of self absorbed ideas of what they should be accomplishing and they sent represent

. >> let's talk about mormonism is. that a killer for him, romney? >> i don't think so. i think the country is beyond that. >> i do. >> i really do. >> do the polls suggest you are correct? >> no, no. >> problems in south carolina, john -- we're going to find out. but in a number of these southern states, romney is not that high up. >> exit question, which candidate to the rereblican is prefer, romney or perry? the gray bids. >> the gray bids prefer frightened to death of perry and prefer romney. but perry still has some real attractive features to him that -- that the grassroots love. >> perry has a big personality and the tea party people want to shake things up, and they think he could be a transformative president, whereas romney is a safe technocrat and could get swing voters. >> now, if you're a gray bid, do you want to keep the tea party quiet in your corner? >>> want to keep their energy, but you don't want them to take over. >> wow. where is the end of that and the beginning of another? >> eleanor is right in this case. and yes, the party -- [everyone talking at

leg of the christian french think is head over the mormon sea they brought to libya u.k. tanks and weapons continued to strengthen all the arabs against. the russian spacecraft touches down bringing strains national space station crew members proud to up to one of the tensest missions in its history. next to the first special report of the white collar criminals who push the walls to economic turmoil. are you going to leave the hardware. around his house ok. we're going to let it go in. there is a relative i want to. i want to talk to. you were there. but they're preparing. for many. acts. like. we say we live in the capitalist society forces been me. capitalism is our way of life the market system its highest expression our media hypes it in quasi religious terms even if its impact is sometimes quite negative and even debated in classrooms we have great capitalism as an economic system a system of production and distribution of things going need one i don't want to think that now that you think i'm about to fire up the b. of michael thanks for the nominee that's going to

the facade to demonize freedom movement by the people of afghanistan to demand a different impede a mormon might have people are fed up and us seen dead it is the people of afghanistan it is their people are fed up. who have defeated them totally in their water of liberation and now they are at the point where one is down will be free sure will be the people are fed up generally let me. out of the regions and not far away it's middle east where the spring the revolutions as these call it know the spring revolutions in the middle east what's happening in egypt and libya and yemen and syria do you think that this revolution affects their what's happening in the south asia from developments well for a lot. of the muslim world to two hundred a day the first invasion by just four years done by the americans during their bid to country. their fight there you really dated levanon and. when. you see in totality they impact of all the even to my mind is the impact of water war two there. i would cheer all. new. one additional army global islamic resistance. which are for de guindos whole huge for t

what are the chance that is you would vote for mit romney as a mormon?4% of those questioned said that they would not under any circumstances vote for a mormmon candidate. >> and this is clearly a problem for him. that's why i mentioned it hasn't been a public issue. but privately there are going to be quite a few that just won't even take a look at him just for that reason alone. now, that is why partly at least you won't see him compete as heavily in iowa this time around. he will make a play in south carolina to a degree. but that's going to be a tough as well there. we'll see. host: we'll go to phone calls. michael is joining us from new york. good morning to you. turn your volume down on your set. caller: ok. let me turn it down. host: go ahead. let's go next to a view anywhere arlington, virginia. lance, independent line. caller: well, this is my magic morning. everything i've heard for the last hour and a quarter or so i agree with except for one thing. that is i'm really ticked off at some caller who called in and said that showed some disrespect

attack and press song for a winner left them exposed at the back end and with just two minutes of mormon time left substance. a loss of ran half the length of the field practically unrestricted and fired home to make the sport to once of the visitors with almost no time left on the clock perhaps they thought it was all over but it wasn't just yet in what was to be a pulsating dramatic finish the home side's mubarak the super bowl was credited with another assist following his near perfect cross into the box for show all powerless to head the ball into the nets will be the wiser at the one minute and to stop the shine to two was how it finished over there in the hutch. and this news just came in from the office of the president salva russia's chechen republic or amazon the former coach of spartak moscow study islam church has been appointed as then you head coach to grozny now the church has solved the most recent place of employment was at the gym choosing assaults in russia's second tier football that reports say that the former sports a goalkeeper who later became coach has signed a ne