that deals with the problem so what are we supposed to take from say the british prime minister morris jones when he repeated the end his ministers repeatedly say we have full oohing the science is actually following a politicized neo liberal version of sons which is not the evidence mazed scientific method to joel oh that's right well science and capitalism have a way of pointing to each other for rationalizing their takes on things and so we have a situation where many scientists hired by the state or by companies are in essence putting models out that in essence support the system that brought about the pathogen in the 1st place. so obviously we see donald trump often flanked by multinational pharmaceutical company and c.e.o.'s of big companies but you in your book big firms make big flu you ironically do support donald trump in saying it's the chinese flu or the wound flu because at the beginning in the book you say the w.h.o. was wrong not to talk about the origin of influence in other pandemics or certainly in the chinese do you bear some responsibility for the emergence of multiple st

quickly we're only just putting a quarantine here it britain's amp what's what would you said to morris jones and about the fact that our immediate response here in britain was not to shut down the airports i think in the us you had ample it's open to. that's right well. the global travel network is. the most integrated network we've seen and human history someone can go from one side of the world to the other and. and a half day or so so it's. any pathogen they might be caried can move that way and that's the thing that's so shocking it's the speed at which new pathogens might spill over from the deepest forest and make a way to a regional capital and then onto a plane and to the other side of the world in short time and we're you know we despite the fact that we've left airports open we should have known that that was probably going to be the speed at which corona virus was going to make its way in the other direction from asia to the united states and get direction to europe. because of the kind of insidious nature of the. pathogen and its clinical course we just chose not to act and and h