first off mosab, great to see you.'m wondering did you know the guy that we just took out that israel just took out? >> i didn't know him personally. >> ainsley: how significant is this? >> not a high profile. i think he is important because he was part of the operation on october 7th, we are looking for the big names mohammed, sanwar and the other hamas top leaders when we start and i think soon. we are going to start hearing about their names and i hope just like dominoes. >> steve: right. well, this guy was important. because, in addition to one of the directors of the october 7th attack, he also was one of the guys in charge of their -- what they refer to as their aerial forces. he hopes develop drones and paragliders, which of course, famously were used on october the 7th. >> look, i commend all the warriors right now on the ground. they are brave, they are fighting on our behalf, on my behalf and your behalf, on behalf of the free world. they're courageous. and we give them all the support that they need. this is

mosab hassan yousef, thank you so much for joining us. what did you see and experience that made you turn on hamas and help israel? >> yeah, since i was a child i always complained to my father about hamas abuse of power and their brutality, you know, they're very strict and they -- they're religious -- they're fanatics, and but i did not think at some point, you know, they would cause all this global trouble, you know. they are -- we saw their brutality. i witnessed their brutality firsthand when i was in prisoned when they tortured so many palestinian people for suspicion of collaborating with israel and this is basically when i started questioning hamas' movement. >> did the barbarity and cruelty of what hamas did to innocent civilians on october 7th, did that surprise you? >> well, you know, they surprised me as they surprised everybody by the scale of the attack, you know, we did not see that coming, but their brutality, their nature, it did not surprise me. you know, back in 1996, they killed so many people, they tortured so many pe

. >> seems like people are confused machine does not confuse mosab hassan yousef son of a hamas leader. thank you for joining us. i'm curious because we have so many americans here this don't understand had mas. can you paint the picture for the audience who we are dealing with? some referred to them as isreal's isis why do they say this, sir. good morning. um -- it is their own comparison to say hamas and isis hamas is more dangerous. look. at the division and the global confusion. because of hamas. you know. they -- they brought us to our knees by their brutality and barbarism. brutality is underestimating hamas act. hamas is a religious movement. you know and they are raging religious movement against isreal. the mainstream media cannot say this than i are afraid to ignotice a religious war. what i say, it already is they want to annihilate the joourish people because we are a jewish state. they want to establish an on the state of isreal their campaign title is to fund alexa means. the in regard of the mosque. it is a religious situation. and we just need to expose them for when th

mosab abu toha is a palestinian poet and author. columnist, teacher, and founder of the edward said library in gaza. his recent piece for "the washington post" is headlined "in gaza, no one can believe their eyes." he is the author of the award-winning book "things you may find hidden in my ear: poems from gaza." and we're joined by yousef hammash, advocacy officer in gaza for the norwegian refugee council. he lives in the gaza strip with his wife and two kids. he recently posted a video showing the destruction of gaza. >> this is where people in gaza used to sleep from the north and the eastern part, seeking safety. people used to consider it safety. this is just to prove there is no place safe in gaza. destruction is everywhere. where can the people go? where should we go? amy: that was yousef hammash, advocacy officer in gaza for the norwegian refugee council. describe the situation. what does a total siege of gaza mean right now? from the hospitals to the schoolyards where people are taking refuge, describe it for us. >> the sie

we got more than ever -- mosab, great to see you.is group and how they were able to pull off what they did october 7th. tell the audience your back ground, people that didn't read your book. >> you know, i was born at the heart of hamas leadership. i know them very well they don't care for palestinian people. they don't regard human life. i saw their brutal firsthand back in 1996 when i spent about a year and a half in a prison. you know, they killed so many palestinian people at that time. and this is when i decided that i cannot be together with this movement. in fact, i asked a question what if they become a ruling party at some point, what will they do? if they succeed in destroying israel and building their state, what will they do? they will kill our people. and this was the first question, you know, that actually i had to be honest with myself. even though hamas gave me advantages. i was like a prince in that world. and but i did not like them, you know. i turned against even my own blood, you know. because this is how much i

his name was mosab yousef. his book is called the son of hamas.is dad was one of the founders of hamas. was a member of hamas. he was arrested multiple times and later he would decide to flip and become a christian and flipped on the organization. became an informant. wrote a book about it. so, when this thing hans with hamas and now that organization finally, that terrorist organization is finally going to get blown up. we thought it was important to have him on the show to talk about the mindset of the terrorists and what they aren't. and they are not people that want to live side by side with israelis. listen to his definition of the group he grew up in. >> i cannot convince the entire world of truth. right now people are emotional. they hate to see children dying. even though hamas is killing the people at the hospital and we have evidence of that, but they still blame israel. people can blame whoever they want, you know, but now we have to concentrate. we have to focus. public opinion is very important. but, unfortunately it's not the time to