this is the director of the center for russian studies at the moscow university for the humanities, andew yes, but it was culture newspaper. ah, and it seemed to me that it would be interesting, ah, to hear it for the viewers, because, of course, not all of them. e, were able to read this newspaper and get acquainted with this text. i want to make a point right away. and once again, i read the texts. i read whether this is an interview or some kind of information, but this information that seems interesting to me, even if it concerns subjects, uh, in which i suppose, or someone from the audience e is not well versed, but we try to trust specialists who uh talk about these topics. it seems to me that andrei fursov is a specialist and his point of view. it seems interesting to me. so this is called the lot of those who do not have an ideology picnic on the sidelines of history so the question is it is believed that it was in malta that gorbachev passed everything in quotation marks, how do you see those events? now the answer is fursov's surrender of gorbachev, in fact, the surrender of t