like moshadiyan and people who shaped the history and below that the plates of the bible, the torah and the toran, which continue to shape modern history. >> yep. >> i was trying to drag a line through each of these time periods to show how they moved in synchronization. >> it's remarkable on some levels and totally unremarkable on others. the issues in discussion were -- we think we have this fixed, maybe we don't think we have it fixed but calmed and then you turn around for five minutes and come back and it's not calm again. >> i think the problem is the opposite. especially nowadays, is the sense of jews and arabs are eternal enemies. never be at peace and that kind of thinking is the enemy of peace. and one of the things that i wanted to show in camp david, there was a moment where three very determined and tough men, flawed characters, sat down and overcame that kind of inertia and established a piece, it's not perfect, it's not comprehensive, as carter had hoped it would be, but it created a peace between israel and egypt, two countries that had been in four wars in a generation