we begin this evening with the archchitect moshe safdie. >> you break down the scale so it's more identifiable. you make buildings that you can find your way around, whether it's a big airport or whether it's a mega-hospital or residential mixed use that is rising all over china and india and so on. these are the issues of the moment, and how to do it with limited resources-- with less energy, with materials that are replenishable. and i'm not saying all of this should not uplift the spirit and be sculptural and exciting, but it's how you get there and what the priority is. >> rose: we continue with talk about nfl and professional football's upcoming season with jerry jones, the owner of the dallas cowboys, and jerry richardson, owner of the carolina panthers. >> what you won't see is the kind of leadership that was involved, from the owner's perspective, by jerry richardson, as our chairman. everybody was certainly unified, and we all had one goal in mind. and that was rather than before it goes over the cliff, like we wish we had done in this country 10 years ago, make the changes now in the