. >> commissioner frost commissioner moshoyannis i'm going to get good at saying that commissioner joseph you did a gastrogreat job. >> commissioner hyde we have quorum president tan indicated he'll be absent this evening and have not heard in commissioner perez but for the record he's absent. >> moving on to item one public comment commission. there will be no separate discussion of these items unless a member of the commission, the public, or staff so requests do we have any public comment? >> good afternoon, commissioners i just want to say thank you because the entertainment commission office is great people that work in there they return phone calls and e-mails so i just wanted to say thank you for keeping a very good office. >> thank you. >> thanks. >> that's excellent our staff never gets accolades. >> do we have any other public comment seeing none, public comment is closed. we're moving on to to item 2 which is reviewing and approving the minutes do we have minutes from august 1st that must be continued and september 5th but we can talk about october twig all i move to bifurcate

. >> commissioner moshoyannis? >> present. >> commissioner hyde. >> here. >> president tan. >> here. >> quorum. >> commissioner lee indicated that he was on his way, but just a little bit late and commissioner-perez and joseph are absent >> okay, no one going to the bathroom. >> the first item is the public comment and this is for the public comment on any items not currently agendaized, is there any public comment that anyone would like to make. >> seeing none, public comment is closed we will move on toit em 2, the review and approval of the minutes of september 16, november 18, 2014, commissioners i don't know if you have any thoughts on these minutes or any changes to make. otherwise i am happy to entertain a motion. >> i move to approve november 18th. >> okay. >> all right. and so there a motion for november 18th. >> i second. >> any discussion on this? if not, is there any public comment on this? i don't see any public comment. and you can go ahead and take a vote. >> commissioner frost? >> aye. >> commission

. >> commissioner moshoyannis? >> yes. >> commissioner frost. >> no. >> and president tan. >> aye. >> and we are stalemate and so let's so what is going to sway, well you have been swayed. >> i am trying to compromise. >> do we want a shorter time frame. or are you just saying no out right? and i guess that it is directed at commissioner hyde and... >> to me really is the he says that he did the community out reach and that is another thing that i saw in that he had the neighbors from two doors down come in and talk. well, i look at a, or one of the letters that was sent or it was an e-mail and there were three people from the neighbors that were there. and that one organization, and then later on, some more showed up and so i don't know really how much community out reach that he did other than appeasing them. from what i see of the history of this, and he you know we are all on our best behavior when we are going for something. you know, and that is it and i want to sell myself and i want everything. and i don't

. >> and commissioner frost and moshoyannis? >> yeah, on the sound permit, i don't know if this is directed to mrt police, but we have heard in the past, depending on the weather and the cloud cover and the different things, and so, this is going to be a work to progress because if our, you know, inspectors go out there and they do the sound check and it is going to be great on one night, but then the next night, something that we are going to be getting a the of calls. >> i hope that, i hope that size and scope of this is going to be wildly different than the kind of thing that we are atmosphere conditions are and because those were, again, the big systems at at&t or treasure island musical festival and i am thinking that the issues may not be as much of an issue for something small like this if we could get them to use a pa that is the same and set in a place and then we will not have wild changes by virtue of the different entertainment is. >> commissioner moshoyannis? >> just a point of clarification, my understanding is tha

. >> moshoyannis. >> aye. >> hyde. >> aye. >> perez. >> aye. >> tan. >> aye. >> yeah, okay. >> i hope that this gentleman is here, the nekd one will be edward sirias from oye managua. >> we have representative and this is a little restaurant at 3385 mission and they are applying for a limited live performance permit and they have had traditionally, and historically had some musicians come occasionally, to accompany the diners, and the music from that region. and they are now coming in to compliance and the reason that i did not put this on the consent agenda is because engle side station sent the conditions and if you look at your police conditions, item two, or condition number two, we really can't do, so we couldn't just vote yes or no. >> calling that out. >> >> all right. do you want to just go ahead and tell us a little bit about your business, and why you are applying for this permit? >> well, it is just a little, and it is a little... >> go to the microphone. >> it is a little restaurant and what we do is that we try to get the people that want to place, you know, like their mu

. >> moshoyannis. >> aye. >> hyde. >> aye. >> perez. >> aye. >> president tan. >> aye. >> the motion passes, congratulations we will move on to our next permit, which is kell's. >> all right. so we have paul mcaleese and this is at 530 jackson and applying for a limited live performance and kell's has been around a long time, and it is in the north beach and really draws from both and some the past we have had a few noise complaints, central station has had a few noise complaints as well and central station does support this permit but, i think that the officer is going to want to explain the concerns that he has in a little bit. but at this point, let's bring up paul mcaleese. >> >> hello, so as you can just tell us a little bit about your business and why you are applying for this permit? >> actually, i didn't even know that i had to do it because there is a comedy club that used to be around and they got kicked out of there or he got kicked out and so they are using my place, and it is a comedy school. >> okay right there. there you go. >> all right. >> and so, they have been usin

and [inaudible] commissioner frost aye commissioner lee aye commissioner hyde aye commissioner moshoyannis aye commissioner [inaudible] president can aye >> all right good luck >>, >> one last one should show one must permit >> visit for the metronome dance collective. thus confer limited live performance permit. metronome as you may know having dance studio teaching all kinds of stance the last 30 years. they have in the past had [inaudible] entertainment to an ownership change they did not renew that and they been doing occasional events with one night event permits and then also doing some other stuff. another coming into compliance by getting applying for a limited live performance permit. just a quick note, the building that the [inaudible] was built in 1949 and doing the music therefore a long time. not that longer lease 30 years. another carbon building was built maybe 15 years ago right next to it. we have heard from tenants over the last year, a tenant may be to tenants -- about the volume emanating from the dance studio ceo finding your binder chain of e-mails, the police report

. >> moshoyannis. >> aye. >> hyde. >> aye. >> perez. >> aye. >> president tan. >> aye >> that motion passes and we have two more permits with us today. the next one is the avenue, or the ave. >> all right. so this next one, i am very excited about and there is actually two kind of we will do one at a time. the first one is lucia doing business as the ave at 1607 ocean avenue and applying for a limited live performance permit. and this is part of the ocean avenue, cbd program, and i believe that kneel ballard is here from the ocean avenue and they are trying to activate the avenue and bring in the entertainment and get several different location to do like a weekly or a bi weekly or a monthly event. >> and so, any way, the first one is the ave and this is a bar like i said it is 1607 ocean, and here is lucia? >> hello. >> hi, my name is lucia and my husband, umani and we both run the bar and thes a small neighborhood bar, located in ocean avenue. president tan and please allow for me to speak. >> it has been around for eight years and the street life committee and the ocean avenue, is

. >> commissioner moshoyannis? >> yes. >> commissioner lee? >> for. >> commissioner tan? >> no. >> commissioner hyde. >> yes. >> all right the motion passes. the permit is denied. do you, you will see why some commissioners believe that to be denied. >> just, i am sorry a point of order, i believe that we need four votes based on this. >> you are right. >> and in order to move that... >> you are right. >> so the motion fails. >> the motion fails. thank you for catching that. >> you don't have many. >> you don't want to. >> okay. >> and so, that leaves us at less talk about it more. the motion... >> okay. >> we have to entertain another motion. >> i like to make a new motion. >> what is your motion? >> so on the poe change the same thing as we always do with the good neighborhood policy and all of that, but, make it ten. ten, for 6 months, and i mean, they were going for limited live, and she is already here and we are just changing the hours and giving a shot at until ten. and for a 6 months. and then let the police department and the neighbors if they, and they have any

. >> moshoyannis. >> aye. >> we are going to move to item three which is the report from the sound inspector. >> it has been a couple of weeks since we have been here and so i was out of town and so i really did not have anything, and i spend a lot of time on, and so i will go on to the inspector and you guys have a preference to speak first? >> okay. >> and good evening, commissioners. a few short notes. and i see a couple of sections, one is the weekend and it was a routine inspection and i went by to pull the permit and they did not have the permit and so i will follow with them. ei did a layout, inspection, at the seller and they have been receiving the complaints and i talked to a couple of beat officers and it was getting messy over there again and during the day out and so observed it and it was, and it was busy but, they were able to disperse the crowd by 2:05. >> the parking lot across the street is often an issue, the security guards can manage that, but i think that the parking lot management needs to get a security guard because that is the issue that i am seeing there. to perfor

commissioner frost aye commissioner lee aye commissioner joseph aye commissioner hyde aye commissioner moshoyannis aye commissioner tan aye that motion passes. please give each other's numbers and is a cultures up with the move on to the last two items on the agenda which is the next one is commissioner comments and questions. are there any commissioner comments or questions >> i just want to thank the staff are making the police report in blue it so much easier to find our packet now that it's in blue. thank you that's really cool >> anything else? >> merry christmas happy new year to everybody. >> i guess i should say to generate six will be my last commission meeting here. i'm stopping to go to school. i'm leaving a few months early to go to school in portland. >> which also means to all those viewers out there, if you are a neighborhood representatives or perspective neighborhood webs i would like to be on this commission you can come see one of us but also wait for the board of supervisors to >> that has been posted as of yesterday so it is that that the sf.gov board site. >> great thing. >>

. >> commissioner frost commissioner moshoyannis commissioner joseph commissioner lee commissioner hyde. >> no motion passes so this will be continued until the november 18th meeting okay. that portion is closed so, now we're at commissioners questions or comments do we have any questions or comments i'd like to say i pushed hard for demetri to apply and i'm so glad you're here i think you're a fantastic representative so welcome. >> adding to that we're waiting for our environmental review on festivals and demetri's experience with the fairs and experience in the area of public health how to deal with people in fulsome when it's one hundred degrees out i'm so happy you're here urge you to be a big asset to us welcome broad. >> i want to extend warm wishes to bryan and his immediate family hope things go well, for him are there any other commissioner questions or comments. >> we talked about it with the last things are we going to ask staff to help facilitate the discussions between the police department and the owner. >> yes. i think i asked him for sure. >> okay do we have public comm

. >> commissioner frost commissioner moshoyannis i'm going to get good at saying that commissioner joseph did a gastrogreat job. >> commissioner hyde we have quorum president tan indicated he'll be absent this evening and have not heard in commissioner perez but

. >> moshoyannis. >> aye >> commissioner frost. >> aye. >> tan. >> aye. >> >> the motion passes, congratulations look forward to watching some films there. >> all right, so the next item is item 7 on the agenda, commissioner comments and questions. >> i am sorry we have... >> item. >> sorry. >> and that would be chamber's sean manchester doing business as chambers and they want to amend a place of entertainment to allow for outdoor use but the applicant has requested that this be continued. >> so, any motion in >> motion to continue. >> so moved flt >> second. >> and okay, so the same house same call? >> yes. >> all right. >> now we are oit em 7, sorry i just skipped over that procedure. commissioner comments and questions? any? >> commissioner hyde? >> yeah i just would like to say yesterday was world aids day andvy been hiv positive for 26 years and i would just like to remember the people who have gone before. >> thank you. >> commissioner frost? >> i just wondering how the agenda gets set. i noticed that there were people that wanted to speak and they ended up having to leave. and what we ta

. >> commissioner moshoyannis? >> a quick question, i guess that this is directed to staff, is there a capacity for us to kind of assess the nature, like i don't want it create a problem if there isn't a problem and i think that the first step is surveying the businesses to find out, do you know that this permit exists, b, that, if it were available to you, would you apply for one? is there a way to go out and do that like maybe we could use one of these? >> from the city hall to kind of do that survey work? i don't even know, but, i mean is there something. >> oewd. >> i think that vanhowden could speak to that and he was doing a little bit of fliering and about advertising the llp. and then i know for sure that the two that have been kind of waiting would definitely be interested in spreading the word. >> and they may know of the other neighbors and the other businesses that they talked to. >> and when nicholas was in the office, i know that there was an art gallery, that was looking for one, and i remember there

>> why don't we do, moshoyannis, and then hyde. >> just for the staff, is there any update on the report from the office of economic anan sis on the outdoor events. >> i don't know, i think that they are on the way for supervisor campos went out of town, and maybe in his... >> are we waiting for some kind of information from his office. >> no, i think that the draft, on the controller's desk and it was, in part done as a request of his office. and so i think that protocol is... >> okay >> just sure. >> and just away for a fit. >> okay, great. >> thank you. >> commissioner hyde? >> and then commissioner perez. >> yeah, i just wanted to say that a wonderful transactvist leslie fine berg passed away this week and i want to remember her and she was instrumental in influencing me to open my mouth. so i just wanted to remember her tonight. >> great. >> commissioner perez e >> i was not here at the last meeting and so i just want to officially welcome commissioner dimitri and i look forward to working with you and so i am glad to have you here and i have a question for the staff, what is the et

. >> i will take commissioner moshoyannis? and then any others after that. >> so, one of the conditions listed here is and we discussed this two meetings ago, the whole notion of stopping sound at midnight. and there did not seem to be any kind of resolution. >> yeah. >> and so i..., yeah. >> what i would like to make clear is that the recommendation of the station is not to approve any place of entertainment license at this point and that we would consider, and going to the discussion with him about a limited live. and but that is our position. and we would like and i submit this information to you so that you can make an informed decision on how to move forward. >> could you explain why limited live would be better here would be better as a place of entertainment. >> and i have been educated by him and what i would like to do is bring him up here and have him answer that question, because i think that he will be able to represent our discussions since the last time that we, or since the last time that we spoke to mr. living