to give this agency access to information about our health, mostntimate personal information as part of enforcemen no way. >> steve, this has always been an agency of which you were always guilty until proven innocent unlike most of the legal code of the united states they can close down that business before that business has been accused and proven of doing a wrongdoing. >> we need the irs. if you like the health care law, hate it, is the law of the land and they have to do their job and enforce it. if you're going to do it, do it right, give them the funding they need. let's have a new irs and give them what they need. >> rich, what about that? it's the law. >> well, it is and the law is bad. we simply have to get to a radical simple tax ructure. >> mike, the law, i was actually referring to was obamacare that's the law that the irs has to enforce that's taken it beyond what anybody dreamed it would do. >> that's the whole problem. you know, if the president had not lied to the country for so long, david, there was a good chance this law would not have been passed. we have to go ba