area as we are mountainst, there are in the right hand mountains in the distance. they are the highest in the area. between here and those two mountain ranges are villages and artifacts of people from the last ice age 10,000 or 12,000 years ago up to people from the archaic. -- 4000 6000 years ago or 6000 years ago. then of course, we have the spanish history. familiese old hispanic you find in northern new mexico, all of them, their ancestors came through this path of this area. this is the immigration route. what year are we talking about? 1500s, 1530, 15 40, the first spanish explorers and conquistadors came through this area. , it predates. it predates most of what happened back east. it predates the american colonial time. this all happened before all of that. >> we're talking about immigration to the area. you are very close to the border. what is the relation to the u.s.-mexico border? like to joke to iurists and visitors that have heard about these borders but i have never seen them. they show them to me on paper but i've never seen them. if you are born an