and you moutaz ahmed., first, do you think the government's had a has done an appropriate response so far to these. >> yeah i do i mean i think that right from the start that what keir starmer did, he was talking about facial recognition technology, travel bans because these are roving bands of, of rioters. that seems to me proportionate for the threat that that , that we're facing. if that that, that we're facing. if local communities are being attacked, that that the rioters rights to protest go out the window. so, yes , he did the window. so, yes, he did the right thing then then of course, he's been criticised for a for a late cobra, but cobra came up with something today. what was the point of having a meeting over the weekend when they didn't have anything to discuss? >> moutaz ahmed is it time to recall parliament? >> i don't know , is it time to >> i don't know, is it time to recall? but will we call in parliament to stop this? i think actually we need to go a bit deeper than just violence and far

and you moutaz ahmed.l, first, do you think the government's had a has done an appropriate response so far to these. >> yeah i do i mean i think that right from the start that what keir starmer did, he was talking about facial recognition technology, travel bans because these are roving bands of, of rioters. that seems to me proportionate for the threat that that , that we're facing. if that that, that we're facing. if local communities are being attacked, that that the rioters rights to protest go out the window. so, yes , he did the window. so, yes, he did the right thing then then of course, he's been criticised for a for a late cobra, but cobra came up with something today. what was the point of having a meeting over the weekend when they didn't have anything to discuss? >> moutaz ahmed is it time to recall parliament? >> i don't know , is it time to >> i don't know, is it time to recall? but will we call in parliament to stop this? i think actually we need to go a bit deeper than just violence and far

the associate editor at the telegraph moutaz ahmed, and the trade unionist andy twelves.i'm going to start with you. these numbers keep growing. why? >> well, we see a tale of two britons, basically. you see unemployment falling among the immigrant population. so lots of immigrants in jobs working, but you see unemployment rising actually among british born workers. so on the one hand, you have the people who come to this country and get a job and, you know, to use one example, deliver the uber eats. on the other, you have the british born people who sit at home and perhaps use their benefits to order the uber eats. that's a tale of two countries. one part of it's working , tale of two countries. one part of it's working, one part of it isn't. one part of it makes up for the other part. but politicians aren't being honest about that now. >> andy, do you agree with that prognosis? i think to an extent, yes. >> i mean, you know, it's from the statistics, the statistics, the statistics, the statistics, the data doesn't lie. but i think really to fix this, we need to make sur

the associate editor at the telegraph moutaz ahmed, and the trade unionist andy twelves.m going to start with you. these numbers keep growing. why? >> well, we see a tale of two britons, basically. you see unemployment falling among the immigrant population. so lots of immigrants in jobs working, but you see unemployment rising actually among british born workers. so on the one hand, you have the people who come to this country and get a job and, you know, to use one example, deliver the uber eats. on the other, you have the british born people who sit at home and perhaps use their benefits to order the uber eats. that's a tale of two countries. one part of it's working , tale of two countries. one part of it's working, one part of it isn't. one part of it makes up for the other part. but politicians aren't being honest about that now. >> andy, do you agree with that prognosis? i think to an extent, yes. >> i mean, you know, it's from the statistics, the statistics, the statistics, the statistics, the data doesn't lie. but i think really to fix this, we need to make sure

feisty panel historian, broadcaster tessa dunlop, and the associate commentator at the telegraph, moutaz ahmedz. the son has done an enormous public service and it had bile poured all over it by people like lewis goodall and so on for daring to report on one of the colossuses of the bbc. >> yes, it was a separate allegation. yes but it was one of those stories that without a tabloid newspaper would never have got out because it was about, you know, some family somewhere making accusations against the colossus, a bbc giant. this is where the tabloid media does its job best. it represents all sorts of voices against the establishment, really. and if every story is treated in the way that the bbc treated in the way that the bbc treated huw edwards, even after he was arrested, a lot of these people would not be held accountable for their actions. >> well, we can hear, i think, what jon sopel had to say about it when it was happening at the time, which gives you a flavour of where the left were. >> we now know there was no illegality. so what are you left with? someone's private life has come under

the associate commentator at the telegraph, moutaz ahmed, and the historian and broadcaster tessa dunlopless even by this government standard. earlier this week, the home office yvette cooper says we're going to have real clampdown on shoplifting. and yesterday it's announced that the one scheme that is dealing with shoplifting is cancelled andifs with shoplifting is cancelled and it's a scheme that it's really hard to oppose the scheme. >> right. it gave local authorities the power to force these criminals to do community service, almost immediately, without going through the justice system. and they've axed it, saying there's no money left, which is labour's excuse for everything. now there should always be money left for schemes that tackle crime, such as this. it's, you know, shoplifting is treated as a sort of low level crime , but the impact it has on crime, but the impact it has on shopkeepers who are frightened, so frightened that they can't do bafic so frightened that they can't do basic customer service without security guards is extraordinary . security guards is extraordinary.

. >> well, nigel nelson and moutaz ahmed, thank you very much for joining us today on tonight on gpnr's gpn tonight. coming up, labour's switch off plans could see an employer paying out to staff for contact them out of hours. i know it's off next. welcome back to gbn tonight with me christopher hope. will workers free time finally be their own? the labour government wants to introduce a legal right not to be bothered so that staff can ignore bosses emails and texts and calls outside of normal office hours, including holidays. it's all part of labour's election pledge to give everybody a right to switch off for the first time ever. what do you do to stop your boss bothering you out of hours? do let me know. gbnews.com/yoursay and i'll try and read out the most appropriate. joining me now is my panel gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson and telegraph's associate editor moutaz ahmed. moutaz do you ever turn your phone off? >> i don't , i don't, but you're >> i don't, i don't, but you're a journalist, so you can't afford to. >> but if you work in a call centre or a job whic

the associate commons editor for the telegraph, moutaz ahmed, and the trade unionist andy 12, as welloughout the programme. gbnews.com/yoursay is the address to get typing on, but first its your news

both of you , thank moutaz ahmed. both of you, thank you very much. both on the show. i'll start with you, please. do you think we should just crack down, stop, scrap all these diversity targets? >> well, i don't think there's much of a surprise that it's all american companies leading the way back to meritocracy when it comes to employing people and strategies for companies , there strategies for companies, there are two important points to make, which is . the first point make, which is. the first point is the executives being required to focus on diversity rather than making profit, to focus on diversity rather than making profit , that's than making profit, that's costly. and companies are waking up to that. and the second thing i think, which is important for ethnic minorities, is increasingly it's becoming clear that the normal man on the street, black or brown, does not necessarily benefit from these schemes. these schemes benefit a particular proportion of ethnic minorities, those who are already generally ahead, those who are already speciall

we have our panel, moutaz ahmed from the telegraph , nigel nelson, our telegraph, nigel nelson, our seniorion early dawn, keeping criminals in police cells and not. and is it okay for the for the police and looking at some recent issues and demonstrations there in bournemouth and also looking at the issue of out of hours texting people out of hours , is texting people out of hours, is that a minor aggression? so when you text me, i won't complain to hr gb news if it's out of hours. >> but i often do text, you know, all the time. yeah. because because we're always working on stories. we never stop. politics never stops. do you think just just pulling back now to this this sir keir starmer situation, do you think i mean you've you've been around in politics. you've seen governments, governments come, you've seen them go . there's you've seen them go. there's always a backlash. but as you said before, tony blair, he was like walking on water when he first got in. david cameron had a period of grace. everybody seemed to have a pier of grace. this seems to be unusually short. >> it does seem sh