back in mowanjum terence tells me he wants to cut down the tree where he attempted suicide . or lucrative. you know. to me that's a staple someone going forward. but then remove something of a symbol that. they want to end their life. in its own way the community too is giving itself the space to heal. trees were put families but people commit suicide to chop them down but we don't actually care because the time it takes to grow back gives us the time to get over forget about it. while suicide remains a scourge in aboriginal communities across astray it appears that family and culture is indigenous australia is best hope to saving the young. australia of last generation so that was back in 2012 which leads us to ask how successful have those schemes been in reducing the suicide rate where we're joined now by psychologist professor pat dudgeon who you recognize from the film a former commissioner of the stray and national mental health commission she teaches at the university of western australia and actually runs a number of suicide prevention projects focusing on aboriginal