exposure, what we learned is that he shot with a couple of his cohorts three bull elephants in mozambique with the same rationale as the go-the guy that these were problem elephants that he was doing humanitarian service. it turned out wildlife officials said these were not problem elephants. the killing of the elephants was illegal and they kicked him out of the country but i heard these excusemaking and rationalizations time and time again. it construct those arguments. in the back? >> i hear some instant gurgling over here. the toddler who had an affinity for animals which is astounding. my influence, what roles we play for young children getting them to be -- >> we have a head start when it comes to help animals because we have this bond. we have the right inclination to send us in a good direction. the problem is economics and other interests may trump those concerns. we are in a struggle for ideas. we need to inculcate in the youngest generation, kindness toward animals. when we are good to animals it spills over in society. when we are bad to animals, factory farming is not an anim

. >> we give mozambique $450 million. we give nivia $39 million. world more than half a billion a year. foreign aid was at $20 billion in 2000. now it is at $50 billion. so that would be a nice place to start. wouldn't it? now a lot of people are talking about a government shutdown. we don't need to shut down the government. we need to shut down the foreign aid program. we need to shut down the infrastructure stimulus package pork barrel program that obama passed. so my advice, we need to close down pbs. we need to shut down the endowment for the arts and the humanities. so that's why i think we ought to do our shutting down. because i say you shut down what you want to end. and we don't care if it stays shut down. we're for that. don't shut down the rest of the government if the democrats want to do that to retaliate against us, that's their look out. we are going to shut down things that we want to zero fund anyway. and there's more than enough of that there. so you bet there's going to be a shut down. but it's going to be a targeted shut down at

. >> we give mozambique $450 million. we give nivia $39 million. world more than half a billion a year. foreign aid was at $20 billion in 2000. now it is at $50 billion. so that would be a nice place to start. wouldn't it? now a lot of people are talking about a government shutdown. we don't need to shut down the government. we need to shut down the foreign aid program. we need to shut down the infrastructure stimulus package pork barrel program that obama passed. so my advice, we need to close down pbs. we need to shut down the endowment for the arts and the humanities. so that's why i think we ought to do our shutting down. because i say you shut down what you want to end. and we don't care if it stays shut down. we're for that. don't shut down the rest of the government if the democrats want to do that to retaliate against us, that's their look out. we are going to shut down things that we want to zero fund anyway. and there's more than enough of that there. so you bet there's going to be a shut down. but it's going to be a targeted shut down at