with us to discuss it is the former head of security at mozilla firefox and current .hase head of securityichael, let's start with you. i think the average person sees this new headline and says, "i don't get it." what exactly is target telling us? >> unfortunately, we are seeing a huge rise in cyber crime attacks on retailers. target has been breached. they have credit card data that has been stolen. they have pu debit card dated tt was stolen. the latest information is that 's were stolen. in theory, the encryption should work if everything is done correctly, but there's a lot of devil in the details. these breaches happen for a reason -- there was a weakness. that same type of thinking or weaknesses could be present in the way they did their encryption as well. >> pin's compromised but encrypted -- what do you think of that? >> i would totally agree. just to say that it is encrypted is not enough. is the algorithm unique for this system? we have had other cases where passwords, e-mails have been encrypted, and it used a common be veryon, and it would easy for someone to do an attack aga