there's the old coal fields of mpumalanga province, where there is an entire coal-mining industry in decline, but the big opportunity is that these towns have got roads and schools and clinics and housing and skills. they've got welders, electricians, builders--all looking for jobs. and the most important thing that they've got is a grid connection. this makes them an incredibly good opportunity to become renewable energy development zones of the future. spoor: in the last few years, renewables has actually become the cheapest form of energy that's available, and that is definitely adding impetus to this whole transition to renewables. we just can't wait much longer to make that transition. munnick: there is big scope for renewables to expand. what it needs is to have a proper renewable energy industrial strategy. it would be a much more inclusive economy. mashigo: the evidence is there, the proof is there. i mean, why else would we participate, you know, like, in all the initiatives to try and address it at a global level and acknowledge that--i mean, eskom, we contribute probably 4