mr. abrams. mr. abrams: thank you. member, thanking you for the opportunity to testify on our efforts to restore democracy in venezuela -- >> criminal! elliott abrams is going to 'snd weapons to venezuela right-wing factions. join code pink. coup in venezuela! [applause] willengel: the chair remind all persons in the audience that any manifestation of approval or disapproval of proceedings is in violation of the rules of the house and its committees. mr. abrams, i apologize. please continue. mr. abrams: venezuela is at a crossroads. we've witnessed massive outpourings of hope, courage, and tenacity by the venezuelan people. they have taken to the streets to protest a regime that has brought them nothing but poverty and misery and repression. they have placed their hopes in a young and legitimate leader, juan guaido, to lead them through a transition to democracy. we join the people in this effort. under the maduro regime, the situation in venezuela will only get worse. venezuela has become the most file and country in t

mr. abrams. >> thank you. >> congressman rooney? >> thank you, mr. chairman. i would like to first thank secretary abrams for coming here, and speaking so candidly and clearly, and bringing the great depth and length of his experience in central america and south america to bear on our problems that we face together. the question i have is one that apparently wasn't asked earlier, is about the political transition, and maduro is threatening to hold these early elections, and how big of a threat will they be to the legitimate national assembly's continuing efforts to institutionalize itself. >> they would be a threat. i think as you saw last year in may 2018 election, any elections that maduro funds are not going to be credible elections. there needs to be a free and fair presidential election in venezuela, but it's not going to happen if it is under maduro's control. >> thank you. >> i have a question. the continued outflow of venezuelans outside of venezuela, how much of a destabilizing factor would that have in the region if it continues at the rate that it i

mr. abrams. >> thank you, mr. chairman. >> mike? >> thank you for the opportunity to testify on our efforts to restore democracy. >> hold on. >> join code pink! no to venezuela! [ applause ] . >> okay. the chair -- the chair will remind all persons in the audience that any manifestation of approval or disapproval of proceedings is in violation of the rules of the house and its committees. mr. abrams, i apologize. please continue. >> venezuela is at a crossroads. over the past month we've witnessed massive outpouring of hope, courage and tenacity by the venezuelan people. we saw it again yesterday as they have taken to the streets to protest a regime that has brought them nothing, but poverty, misery and repression. they have placed their hopes in a young, dynamic and legitimate leader juan guaido to lead them through transition to democracy and we join the venezuelan people in this effort. under the maduro regime the situation inside venezuela will only get worse. venezuela has become the most violent country in the world, hyperinfl

mr. abrams. >> president fung: okay. were you folks finished with your presentation before i have questions? you still do have rebuttal. one last question. >> yeah. >> president fung: is that can you flush out a little bit on what the offer was on the potential mitigation of improvements to an adjacent property? >> yeah, i can speak to what i thought. we offered mr. collins a sum of money that he could make improvements -- i believe he wanted to make improvements to the windows, and i believe he wanted to make improvements to the facade of his building. >> president fung: this was 7478 page? >> yes. >> president fung: what about the other buildings? >> sorry. could you just repeat the question. >> president fung: you have two buildings adjacent to this lot. >> yeah, and then, on the other side. the folks on one side, they wanted improvements to their windows, and so we -- >> president fung: oh, you arrived at an agreement. >> yes. >> just to be clear, there were agreements with other neighbors that were effectuated. >> p

bush which is out of the game is played here in washington but mr abrams duties in the reagan administration didn't end with just secretly selling arms to iran to fund contras and a note he also focused on supporting brutal human rights violating armed anti-communist groups which was us latin american policy at the time it was this record of our boy and brooms that representative omar felt needed to be acknowledged in a wednesday house foreign affairs committee hearing on the current situation in venezuela let's take a listen to how this played out. doing that massacre some of those troops bragged about raping a twelve year old girl before they killed the. girls before they killed them you later said that the u.s. policy in el salvador was a fabulous achievement do you think that massacre. was a fabulous achievement that happened under our watch that is a ridiculous question and i guess our no no i learned this i will make you happy yes i am not going to respond to that kind of personal attack which is not a question. oh and it didn't and there are no no things only got even more contentious

however with respect to who is rhetoric more closely to the cold war i have my own views on that mr abrams is an active participant in the cold war was an active as a pencil and a number of underground operations that were conducted during the era of the cold war so we're not going to discuss this issue i think that mr abrams will still here today has yet to hear the views of other members of the security council which will in one way or another align with what i have said for some reason. you are under the impression that the only thing that russia is concerned about is its money which it cannot receive it in response and in response for what it hasn't invested in the country why does it not occur to you that we may have other interests perhaps we do not tolerate when there are a group blatant. trial playing upon the international law and intervention in the domestic affairs of other countries we do not take such liberties and we do not allow. countries to take such liberties and yet we hear very many accusations about russia intervening in the affairs of other countries states including

previous track record in that of latin america in fact it was back in two thousand and two that mr abrams was the suspected architect of a coup attempt in venezuela while in the one nine hundred eighty s. then a member of the reagan administration he funneled weapons through iran to nicaragua rightwing rebels he was also accused of using humanitarian aid planes to disguise weapons shipments to militias. assistant secretary of state elliott abrams has defended his role in authorizing the shipment of weapons on a humanitarian aid flight to nicaraguan rebels saying the operation was strictly by the book. we have to consider that trumps are who is in charge of his venezuelan policy right now is elliot abrams who pioneered the strategy of using humanitarian aid as a disguise for delivering weapons to u.s. proxy forces first during the. wars and central america the proxy wars during which elliott abrams was overseeing several death squads and their genocidal humanitarian violations the venezuelan see this aid delivery especially in the in the light of abrams history of using aid as a cover for

mr. abrams and they got themselves into a corner revela what we have saw in 2002 with the coop agains chavez and they green lighte it or the same thing in 20 >> just one final question that both president trump has given a saturd deadline for allowing the aid to get through to venezu or else what? what will be the consequence if it doesn't get in? >> what i fear the most is that they would use some sort of incide the border. the border is volatile between venezu and columbia. very volatile. columb military. the last thing you would want is humani aid to be viewed and escalate into the support of milita confrontation. all i would hope is that did not happen or benefit either side. >> professor, than politi upheaval. isabel is one of the most import writers of our time, sellin over 70 million books chile' socialist president was her godfather and president in a she lived for more than a decade she had an incredible life. isabel joins me from san >> i wonder what you think hearin our discussions and perhap comparing it some day to what h your own countr 1973. >> of all i would like to say that

bush which is how the game is played here in washington but mr abrams duties in the reagan administration didn't end with just secretly selling arms to iran to fund contras and a note he also focused on supporting brutal human rights violating armed anti-communist groups which was us latin american policy at the time it was this record of our boys a broom that representative omar felt needed to be acknowledged today when with a house foreign affairs committee hearing on the current situ.

the last two decades supporting a violent rule in two thousand and two remember you know what mr elliott abrams reportedly giving the green light to go ahead for the opposition to out as you like to present what shall i say concern about what are the intentions the united states what is the agenda. as we speak right now because we know richard branson the british billionaire has his come to that he's arranged sort of a live aid style consider isn't it encouraging the venezuela minute trying to turn against me do or i just think it will have much impact yeah i mean we just all the the new york times reported yesterday that. who is a former intelligence chief or child as a reporter they defected however he had broken with the government in twenty seven so this is hardly a new development that the reality on the ground is that no major that is one military official actually commanding troops had the fact is a lot of the side of mr why don't you know this is you know this reveals a certain desperation on the part of why though in washington that one month and they're still not able to actually you

mr. abrams mr. adams when she introduced him. minnesota in her district. they are jewish leaders, before she came to congress, so troubled by her language and her tweets, they staged it to our intervention at someone's home because they thought listen, she was in a canyon camp for somali refugees. maybe she didn't know about the holocaust, they thought. they tried to educate her on tropes and dog whistles and code words and this is the result. most of us came out of that conversation very troubled by the answers we received and not convinced where her heart is on these things. she hasn't changed. she hasn't listened, and she hasn't deleted any of these offensive tweets. >> jedediah: that's the problem, a pattern of behavior. she hasn't been stripped of any committee assignments. seems to be no real consequences. many are defending her. how many times does it take before someone says there's a pattern. >> juan: how about steve king? have you heard anything from president trump? president trump has not said one word. >> jedediah: t

and or revolutionary forces and this is something that i have to tell you is even credited but as mr abrams as i said to me. the last meeting here in new york. failed and safeway leukemic of speed that was the last chapter in the one on saturday yeah and i can tell you a little read my lips it bailed. you know man and you know always the time and i think that for us too because now we've returned i'm just sad to have to respect the international law and respect the furnace will is constitutional we wait to hear nothing of what he's going to see the members of they're going to say that the ship misled by the or whoever they will decide who they want to sit down with the government isn't a constitutional government of and is what i meant as a. and among venezuelans we can still build our own solution without intervention and interference from anyone other also much less the united states may know much less and i think we can only hope that the white house is going to give him a stable a go the uprising i'll physician just sit down with our government half so that we can come up with a way out

mr. abrams and they were unavailable.nnedy says that the president needs to keep fighting for the border wall. he's here. what?! i'm here to steal your car because, well, that's my job. what? what?? what?! (laughing) what?? what?! what?! [crash] what?! haha, it happens. and if you've got cut-rate car insurance, paying for this could feel like getting robbed twice. so get allstate... and be better protected from mayhem... like me. ♪ >> congress's failed to do their job. they've left the president with no option. he has to do this to safeguard the security of this country. i've tried to reach out to several different committees, where i wanted to say, hey, look, i'm here. i want to talk to you on both sides of the aisle. i've been met well on the republican side. not the democratic side. that's a fact. charles: the border chief under the obama administration, that was mark morgan, telling me that president trump had every right to declare a national emergency and he even tried meeting with democrats to discuss the border si

mr. abrams, i apologize. please continue. >> venezuela is at a crossroads. over the past month, we have witnessed massive outpouring of hope encourage and tenacity by the venezuelan people. we saw it again yesterday. they have taken to the streets to protest a regime that has brought them nothing but poverty and misery and repression. they have placed our hopes and the young, dynamic, and legitimate leader juan guaido to lead them through the transition of democraracy. wewe join the venezuelan peoplen this effort. amy: elliott abrams, the u.s. special envoy to venezuela, testifying before the house foreign affairs committee chaired by new york democrat eliot engel. abrams was later questioned by congressmember ilhan omar of minnesota. >> mr. adams, in 19 91 that you pleaded guilty to two counts of withholding information from congress regarding your involvement in the iran-contra affair, for which you are later pardoned by president george h.w. bush. i fail to understand why members of this committee or the american people should find any testimony that you

mr. abrams or whoever is appointed by president trump is always open and we can have contact because thatthe civilized things to do amongst countries that respect the sovereignty and international law. amy: that does it for the show. for today. jorge arreaza, venezueuela's foreign minister. democracy now! is looking for feedback from people who appreciate thehe closed captioning. e-mail your comments to outreach@democracynow.org or mail them to democracy now! p.o. box 693 new york, new york 10013. [captioning made possible by democracy now!]

president that i thought when i feel the person in charge of that contra operation and nicaragua was mr elliott abrams who's with us here today he's the same one who is responsible today in charge of the operation against venezuela at the same one that you still want to. planes laden with arms disguised as humanitarian aid to bring about death and destruction on nicaragua and now we're supposed to believe that he's been so interested in humanitarian aid in venezuela but what we're seeing is you know knowledge to have doctors into a country it's a heap of ethical for inclusion mr president we demand of the security council a clear pronouncement against illegal enough words that mean yes and threats of use of military force in all its forms and manifestations again spent as well because we know it's a public knowledge that the united states is currently attempting to arm he. wore it with a moustache that will enable it to appear in the same don't have first way as it did after military operations in the past as at the suppose it savior of our nation but in summary look at the bond that he had while you'

abrams: thank you for having me. mr. cobb: i will jump into it. i am particularly excited to be here, especially when i realized you were announcing your campaign for president and so -- [laughter] ms. abrams: my h.o.a. is looking for a leader, yes. mr. cobb: ok. maybe i got bad intel on that. but we have more than enough to talk about. and i guess we'll start with the kind of overarching question which is about the thing that ties together the mid-terms, ties together 2016, will likely be a prominent theme in 2020 and that is the fight around voter suppression. can you just talk for a minute about the architecture of voter suppression and how it functions and what we can -- i'll say what we can do about it but how exactly do the mechanics of this work? ms. abrams: i want to thank you so much for taking the time and thank you to dr. gayer and brookings for having me. my belief in the responsibility to fight voter suppression started when i was growing up. my parents were both civil rights activists as teenagers in mississippi. my dad was arrested s

mr. dan abrams is here. >> beautiful guy. great booking.eat shape . he's ripped. >> he is. he's not playing tennis with a dog. i'll see you in a second. come on. you know that was good, the picture of him with the big -- all right. >>> so, i just read -- this is very serious and poignant and so perfectly timed. the best leadership message that i've read from a democrat in a long time. a clarion call to action and acceptance of a responsibility that seems all but forgotten. it came from the longest-serving congressman in u.s. history. there he is, john dingell, democrat, michigan. he passed away yesterday, and he left us a message written in some of his last hours, and it is a gift. i'm going to give it to you next. let's see, aleve is proven better on pain than tylenol extra strength. and last longer with fewer pills. so why am i still thinking about this? i'll take aleve. aleve. proven better on pain. beauty editors have tried everything. in search of a whiter smile. their choice? crest 3d whitestrips. our exclusive whitening formulation s

mr. dan abrams. how are you doing?e you, don. >> if federal prosecutors, dan, in new york find that ami's actions are criminal, what happens? >> that's huge trouble for them. they've then got two sets of legal problems on their hands. first they've got the immediate problem of the crime that the federal prosecutors thought that they committed, if they believe it was extortion, whatever it is. and then the other issue, which is probably the larger one, is that they had this immunity deal and a very standard term in an immunity deal is you can't commit other crimes. if you commit other crimes, the immunity deal effectively goes away. and interestingly, that's up to the prosecutors to decide, meaning you don't need a conviction on a crime. it could be prosecutors deciding, we think you have violated our deal. and as a result, we can prosecute you there, and we can prosecute you there. so that's why they have to be particularly concerned about what they do now. >> a source familiar with the bezos investigation is telling c

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mr. elliott abrams-- t u.s. special envoy to venezuela-- in new york. chancellor has met twice with elliott abrams. i invited elliott abrams to come to venezue, in private, in public, or in secret. or if he wants to meet, let himn say how, where, and i will be there. >> woodruff: the u.s. has publicly rognized opposition leader juan guaido as venezuela's rightful leader. back in this country, the u.s. supreme court will hear aarguments about includin citizenship question on the 2020 census. the court today scheduled the case for late april. the commerce department wants to add the citizenship question for the first time since 1950. opponents say it would cause undercounts of hispanics. justice ruth bader ginsburg returned to work at the high court today. she had been working from homee siving lung cancer surgery in december. ginsburg turns 86 in march. former massachusetts governor william weld is the first republican to move toward challenging president trump in 2020.ou he aed an exploratory committee today in new hampshire, and accused mr. trump of pr

general abrams? >> mr. chairman, ranking member reed and distinguished members of the committee, thank you for this opportunity to appear before you today. i've had the privilege to serve in this position for just over 90 days. in that short time i have assessed the rock u.s. military alliance to be stronger than ever. our combined force is a strategic deterrent, postured to respond to crisis or provocation and if called upon ready to defend the republic of korea and our allies in the region. today in korea we have tremendous opportunities before us as well as some great challenges. ongoing diplomatic engagement between the republic of korea, the dprk and the united states has led to a significant reduction in tension compared to the recent past marked by missile launches and nuclear tests. diplomacy is creating the opportunity for north korea to choose the path of denuclearization, forge a lasting peace and build a better future for its people. the first steps towards realizing that future have already beg

mr. abrams is in a position to provide information.seful information from that exchange. >> sandra: all right. we're out of time. congressman, we appreciate your time this morning. thank you, sir. >> bill: more to come on that. 12 minutes before the hour. breaking news now. from the world of business, amazon has just announced it wants to back out of its decision to build a second headquarters in new york city. technically long island city along the east river across the city from manhattan here. this has been a source of a lot of contentious debate in new york. the democratic mayor deblasio guaranteed billions of dollars in tax breaks for amazon and met with strong opposition throughout new york city not to give one of the world's biggest koefs and one of the richest men in the world the opportunity to get the tax breaks they were looking for. so amazon now says it will continue in washington, d.c. and continue in nashville as to whether or not this comes back again and this is some sort of debating ploy from amazon we'll find out mor

mr. abrams that was a heated exchange on capitol hill yesterday between elin omar and venezuela elliot abrams it is rare to see that kind of personal attack. but that'ses what representative omar brings to congress. a lot more on this, throughout the day's program. lest look at your money. stock futures pointing lower to tune of 110 point now why is that? well retail sales numbers came out at 8:30 this morning half hour ago. and which showed a decline, down 1.2% in december. christina is that ashley is that what's spoofing market? >> it is weird because according to this report internet sales down 3.9% despite what we've heard from all of the big retailers, of course, including amazon, the brick-and-mortar stores down 3.3%, and a traditional, you know, your kohl's macy's all of those nordstrom all posted very disappointing sales but this number -- a 3. % decline in sales on the internet which i find interesting because we thought this was a blowout season for them but apparently not. >> you join that they're putting those sales and those purchases on their credit cards does make for a little

general abrams. >> mr. chairman, ranking member reed, distinguished members of the committee, thank you for this opportunity to appear before you today. i've had the privilege to serve in this position for just over 90 days. in that short time i have assessed the military alliance to be stronger than ever. our combined forces is a strategic deterrent, if called upon ready to defend the republic of korea and our allies in the region. today in korea we have tremendous opportunities before us as well as some great challenges. ongoing diplomatic engagement between the republic of korea, the d.p.r.k., the united states has led to a significant reduction in tension compared to the recent past marked by missile launches and nuclear tests. diplomacy is creating the opportunity for north korea to choose the path of denuclearization, forge a lasting peace, and build a better future for its people. the first steps toward realizing that future have already begun. we have witnessed multiple presidential summits, interko

mr. chairman. general abrams, there's been discussions about the cost of our -- president trump suggested that -- it's expensive these negotiations with special measures agreement seem to be more controversial than in previous years and interestingly enough, it's just a term of one year when typically it's a five-year term. so we're going to be right back in the saddle of talking about supporting forces on the peninsula. can you talk about the significance of maintaining our force presence there? is it critical or can we afford to draw down? >> senator, our presence and our posture is appropriate in terms of providing an adequate deterrent against the dprk. it provides a fore structure in numbers in capability that's capable of responding to hostilities and provocations and prepared to defend the republic of korea if they're called upon. it also serves our posture there also serves as a stabilizing factor, stability in northeast asia and provides reassurance to not only the republic of korea but for japan and oth

issue for them when you have amassed marco rubio you have mike home pay all you have mr john bolton and now elliott abrams directing foreign policy in washington a sensually taking over the function of the state department we're are essentially on embarked on a course of regime change the u.s. has embarked on his course previously since i was elected in one nine hundred ninety eight the us assad regime change across three different governments bush obama and now trump and unfortunately i don't think that the. minister will listen to lever off comments and will continue to see an escalation of conflict in the context of venezuela versus the us. seeking to restrict access to public. security operations number of law enforcement abuses were exposed. remember the protests out in standing rock in response to the dakota access shale oil pipeline it seems like old news but two cases are actually pending in federal court still and at this point we've got many people who can remember how horrified they were when they saw the government's response to peaceful protesters. well critical legal information about what a

issue for them when you have amassed marco rubio you have michael pay all you have mr john bolton and now elliott abrams directing foreign policy in washington sensually taking over the function of the state department we are essentially and marked on a course of regime change the us has embarked on this course previously since which of us was elected in one nine hundred ninety eight the us assad regime change across three different governments bush obama and now trump and will continue to see an escalation of conflict in the context of venezuela versus the u.s. . meanwhile just across the caribbean sea haiti has seen a sick day of violence unrest in the capital going on to government protests all seventy eight cité nice little local chel way to escape one person was reportedly shot dead and several for protesters were badly and shit. i presume this reportedly took advantage while place were distracted by the anti government demonstrations protesters are demanding that the president of the poorest country in the caribbean step down thank yous him and his government of corruption and to run green about w

ideological issue for them when you have amassed marco rubio you have mike pale you have mr john bolton and now elliott abrams directing foreign policy in washington sensually taking over the function of the state department we are essentially on embarked on a course of regime change the u.s. has embarked on this course previously since which of us was elected in one nine hundred ninety eight the us assad regime change across three different governments bush obama and now trump and unfortunately i don't think that the. minister will listen to lover of comments and will continue to see an escalation of conflict in the context of venezuela versus the u.s. . a number of prominent french journalists have been suspended off they belong to a group that's been mocking and toensing women online for almost a decade charlotte do penske report. remember the two movement how could you know what the most oft rule one of the biggest stories throughout the two thousand and eighteen well here in france it was better known as. essentially that means to call someone out as acting like a paid. attention all except a few months

ideological issue for them when you have amassed marco rubio you have might pay all you have mr john bolton and now elliott abrams directing foreign policy in washington sensually taking over the function of the state department here are essentially an embarked on a course of regime change the u.s. has embarked on this course previously since was elected in one thousand nine hundred ninety eight the us assad regime change across three different governments bush obama and now and unfortunately i don't think that. minister will listen to love ross comments and will continue to see an escalation of conflict in the context of venezuela versus the u.s. . claims popular dating like tend. to the sexual abuse of children has prompted now the u.k. government to take action. i will be writing to these companies asking what to measures they have in place to keep children safe from home including very far in their age the increased scrutiny follows an investigation of by the british newspaper the sunday times it found that children are easily able to dodge the age restrictions and end up being matched with adults resulting i

issue for them when you have amassed marco rubio you have mike home pay all you have mr john bolton and now elliott abrams directing foreign policy in washington a sensually taking over the function of the state department we're are essentially on embarked on a course of regime change the u.s. has embarked on his course previously since this was elected in one nine hundred ninety eight the us assad regime change across three different governments bush obama and now trump and unfortunately i don't think that the. minister will listen to love ross comments and will continue to see an escalation of conflict in the context of venezuela versus the us. but as well has been making headlines for weeks never a sense opposition leader one why don't declare himself and trim president meanwhile just across the caribbean sea thousands have protested the hate and capital against economic hardship and embezzlement antigovernment demonstrators started demanding that the president of the island nation step down there has been violence the looting and clashes with police over the last five days which have also seen forecas

issue for them when you have amassed marco rubio you have my home pay all you have mr john bolton and now elliott abrams directing foreign policy in washington sensually taking over the function of the state department we are essentially an embarked on a course of regime change the us has embarked on this course previously since which of us was elected in one nine hundred ninety eight the us assad regime change across three different governments bush obama and now trump and unfortunately i don't think that the pump aoe. minister will listen to a lover of his comments and will continue to see an escalation of conflict in the context of venezuela versus the us now the us is planning to submit a un security council draft resolution about holding new presidential elections in venezuela something that's described as a pretext the military intervention is just what lavrov said because the u.s. draft resolution on venezuela is aimed at concealing a planned provocation as humanitarian aid and would destabilize the country it might even provide a pretext for military intervention the un security council will nev

mission for them when you have amassed marco rubio you have michael pay all you have mr john bolton and now elliott abrams directing foreign policy in washington a sensually taking over the function of the state department here are essential and marked on a course of regime change the us has embarked on this course previously since which obviously is elected in one thousand nine hundred ninety eight the us assad regime change across three different governments bush obama and now and will continue to see an escalation of conflict in the context of venezuela versus the us for more details on any of us stories all teed up com is just a click away you're world news for tens at the top of the hour feedback. make us manufacture consent to stick to the public well. when the ruling class is protect themselves. with the finest. be the one percent of. the time we can all middle of the room sick. in twenty forty you know bloody revolution to the demonstrations going from being relatively peaceful approach. yes to be creasing the violent revolution is always spontaneous or is it just always i mean your list. is full