mr. bernstein on that?nt goldman low that the miners cannot afford to keep running, which will cut production am a hence a super cycle. how long do prices have to stay below in order to get their? if physical demand kicks in -- china likes gold. get back to selling assets, all of these miners are desperate to get rid of their assets. who is buying >> -- buying? that areare ones interested in coal specifically because of china, and that is trickling down to end user demand. >> what does the cell site say about the trap, they are in distress. >> a lot of them wind up saying that. they are so cheap you cannot help but own them. that has not played out this year. individual stocks, maybe. all of the shake up with the new chairman, it is still in flux. --can i ask a dumb question they have iron ore, how do they get it to china? do they ship it on boats? why -- i amming assuming flying would be hard. they're infrastructure -- you may being -- you may bring the iron out of the ground but you had to get support to