tribes ethnic groups political forces reach will start fighting each other i'm afraid because it was mr gadhafi resigns both in any case the most important thing right now is to convince mr qaddafi to resign not to use military force because any further human casualties . will never change this development this situation it's interesting how you were forecast a gloomy future saying that it's a mixed bag when it comes to the members of the national resistance committee but we've been hearing from people on the ground this morning they're saying nate so bombed at the path clear into tripoli what started as a humanitarian mission some into what could be described by some as a full scale war so what has nato as role truly been in all of this well if i believe the the actions of. have exceeded the framework of the u.n. resolution and seventy three this is number one. and secondly i would be happy to be wrong but i believe that when the new authorities come into power in libya the parts which know. are losers will start questioning is the legacy of the new story this with the simple reason they want

and south african foreign minister said today they will not recognize the interim government if mr gadhafi is. so we're beginning to see the seeds of a north south conflict as before we saw the seeds of west and cautionary. cautionary statement from the russian foreign minister. can explain a bit and this is the north south conflict. that the south african and indeed let's quickly talk about the african support for gadhafi the african union hasn't exactly been that thank you very much right thank you very much you see mr gadhafi was a dictator he but he was a benevolent dictator if you know whether you like or dislike and he gave millions to black african health education and agricultural projects he is remembered for doing that he has not seen as black and white as he has seen in the west by his former supporters from the west the black african population particularly in chad all the way down to south africa thinks that he made major contributions for the advancement of education health care and agriculture in africa which were a luddite his money given to those nations were not attacked.

mr. gadhafi. it's game over. >> the old libyan flag was pulled down and replaced with the flag of the interim rebel government, led by the national transitional council. a libyan diplomat said more than 85% of his country's missions ashtd the globe now back the interim rebel government. in >>> in other news, former prime minister thaksin has dismissed criticism of thailand's new administration. in an interview with nhk, he defended policies such as preferential treatment for the country's rural poor. >> reporter: thailand's new prime minister delivered a policy speech in parliament on tuesday. after winning last month's general election. the younger sister of thaksin pledged to expand the program to buy rice to boost farmers' income. she also promised to revitalize rural farms. thaksin spoke with nhk in tokyo on wednesday, admitting that he was involved in drafting some of the policies announced by the new administration. >> part of the policy during campaigns i helped to share the ideas with the

hundred billion dollars deposits abroad so we have to share this cake that it and we have to get of mr gadhafi because he is the only obstacle between us and the cake it's as simple as that but there are some people saying that if gadhafi the fighting will stop stop course not because their goal is not good as the goal is to control libya is to control libya this is the target and the libyans will not allow them to do that. so the fight will continue what do you think about media war who's winning this war at the beginning the one. the one . or the one because it was planned from beginning to get out me is infamous well i'm. collapsed that i was really and that he had gone. into it because the whole country. is still now suffering from that case but now believe us or we're one day everybody and the word is saying the libyan libyan navy is bombing the harbor of mr mr is in the middle of the desert it's one thousand kilometers on here he let the libyan ships that are bombing the harbor of mr excuse me the security council issued their resolution against libya because of a fake media report sayin

mr. gadhafi to release power. and while there is an upbeat mood in parts of tripoli, as dominique diva tally reports, the question of who is in control remains unclear. >> reporter: after more than six months of fierce fighting, libyan rebels finally entering the country's capital tripoli. the rebels say there was little resistance as gadhafi's troops appear to melt away. this all comes hours after the rebels took over a major military base outside of tripoli. but the libyan government says it won't give up. >> we will fight because we have the right to. and we have gadhafi, he led us in this confrontation for dignity and our freedom from nato's agendas. >> reporter: and gadhafi released audio message urging people to support him. >> everybody should go out. i am with you at tripoli. we should go to the end of the earth. >> reporter: but according to some reports, gadhafi is in algeria now. >> nobody thinks that the people who call themselves the transitional council are likely to stick around very long. >> report

mr gadhafi resigns but in any case the most important think right now is to convince mr khadafi to resign not to use military force because any further human characters will never change this development the security. and as the fighting continues experts are already speculating on who will get control of libya's vast oil reserves. the key question is indeed oil it is well known that it is a war for all that these so-called position government has promised to give the old two from. great britain and the united states actually this government does not exist its corporate governance and of course it's about all it's always about for you have many disagreements inside the alarms the airlines the eye and deep crisis he considered himself a top of the world and asked. after us sorry afghanistan libya for all the going to attack the key question is when will the public opinion wake finally and say we don't need these kind of aggressions the killings we don't print ring of the results is we need a solution to the economic and social problems of europe in united states. when first speculation ris

mr. gadhafi may be? >> we don't. it's interesting for the recent, you know, announcements that he's made, the press conferences he's made, the calls to tripoli to defend itself, of course no one responded in the way he wanted them to, he's not been seen physically. so people i don't think have a good sense of where he is right now, but it almost doesn't matter. >> why not? >> because the rebels are clearly taking over the cities, taking over the institutio. we have just gotten reports that they have taken over state television. people now to look to libya's future. >> you spent several days in benghazi with the rebel leaders talking with them about the post-gadhafi libya. what plans are in place to secure and govern libya? >> so the first step they're trying to do is prevent some kind of cycle where people act out their own retributions. i think that's a very, very important first step. there's a lot of post-gadhafi planning that has taken place about how to govern the institutions and to make sure that essential ser

mr. gadhafi, and i think ma gras hi should join him. r reaction as you see this, these events up folding, gadhafi losing power, new questions raised about the man convicted of murdering your daughter and 269 others? >> your question again? i'm sorry, i didn't hear. megyn: what is your reaction as you see -- >> my -- megyn: -- moammar gadhafi being ousted from power we think. we don't officially know where he is right now, but that's how it seems to be coming out as well as new questions raised about what could happen in connection with the man who murdered your daughter? >> well, i think they should, i think they should release him to the authorities in the united states. ma draw hi received a fair trial in the netherlands. the trial was held in a neutral country, the results of the trial were fair, they were honest, and he was released to the brits, and he was incarcerated in scotland, she was suppose -- he was supposed to have been this for 27 years, and he, obviously, was not. he was not really incarcerated as we know it. he had all t

mr. gooech? gooef gadhafi? >> i think they are afraid of coming out because they don't want to be hit by a rocket. people come out and then they will hear sniper fire or gunfire in the distance and then people will go back into their homes. i do not think it is because they have such mixed feelings about the demise from power of moammar gadhafi. and it is unclear about his personal status. no one in this country knows where gadhafi is. he may still be in the compound. he may have left the country. he may have left the south. he has good relations with africa countries. there is speculation he may be trying to get to one of them. at least two of his sons have been detained. so people are uncertain. i don't think they are staying out because they have mixed feelings. >> two of his sons have been detained, as you said. to help me here, does this not remind us of baghdad when we saw the original capture there, then it ended up with saddam hussein in, out of -- relatively easy coming in. then turned on us. i mean, a

mr. moammar gadhafi. they are screaming libya is free. what we saw about a half an hour ago, a crowd of about 200 people, blowing off every single -- anything that would basically fire. they were shooting into the air here. this square looked very differently 48 hours ago when the rebels first made it into the city. they were really in fight mode. they were looking around for snipers, now a very different scene. people just celebrating. not fighting, not thinking about fighting. literally just celebrating here in the middle of town. wolf. >> do they have any instinct or any hints at all where gadhafi may be hiding out? do they think he's still in tripoli, someplace else in libya? do they believe he may have escaped the country? >> reporter: it depends on who you ask, wolf. the general consensus, they do believe he is somewhere underground. that loud bang was one of those anti aircraft machine guns that have blasted into the air. so it's just celebratory. but if you ask different people, they will say they believe -- that they believe he i

mr. core, tonight, gadhafi broadcast over the radio in tripoli saying victory or death.nk in any way shape or form he has any kind of strength to do any further damage to the citizens of libya? >> no. i don't think so. i mean the fact that we got into -- they got into his compound today and even if he worked to get some sort of small force, given overwhelming, you know, air power, i think he couldn't do anything militarily. the real question is, you know, what is his future? i hope, you know, if they catch him and he's alive, you know, they don't overreact and that we send him to the international criminal court along with the sons or some of his other colleagues. so that they can pay for the crimes they committed these past 40 years. >> quickly, do you think we'll have involvement in libya for years to come? >> no, i don't think so. i mean it's ironic. some people are now saying we ought to send ground troops. if they ask us for help, we ought to send trainers and humanitarian aid. >> lawrence core, great to have you with us tonight. thank you for your insight. a couple

rebels have stormed then looted colonel gadhafi is compound in tripoli after three days of fighting in the libyan capital here's how it happened. thanks. oh. ok thank you mr president. thank you so. meanwhile the location of gadhafi himself is still not known at least in radio address he said that his retreat from the compound was a tactical move and promised to fight to the death so broke it off and forces continue their armed resistance with reports suggesting they're attacking the town of a lot west of tripoli with missiles and tanks journalist richard spencer says that even if the rebels take control of the country's civil war he said. i think would be us as accomplish is to establish a coming civil war in libya which we have financed we will be and we will have trained a number of the people who will be killing one another we shouldn't be naive children and think that these rebels are these nice little folks who want democracy and freedom and mcdonald's this is clearly a chance for them to gain power but maybe do it in action revenge against north enemy but mainly for them to be in control and they're going to be fighting with each other for control

gadhafi's deputy ambassador to the u.n. who now works for the rebels, also a spokesman for the national transitional council who's on the phone from tunisia. i suppose let me start with you, mr. ambassador. you know colonel gadhafi well. he has vowed to die as a martyr at the end. what do you think is now happening in tripoli? do you think he's still there? >> well, i think the capital of tripoli is mostly under the control of the revolutionary forces. but certainly gadhafi is there in tripoli somewhere hiding in underground shelters he built over the last decades. i think this is the safest place for him, so i don't expect him to leave tripoli in any way. >> but obviously there are mixed reports now coming out of tripoli. yesterday it appeared the rebels were surging to victory against gadhafi, but we were also told they captured two of moammar gadhafi's sons. that now is clearly untrue. how much do you now believe from what the rebels are telling us? >> well, i think it is not completely untrue, because i think muhammed gadhafi was really in the hands of the opposition forces and they gave him -- they guaranteed his security and his safety and left him at home and then he

mr. obama issued a statement saying the gadhafi regime has reached a tipping poibt. the universal pursuit is stronger than the iron fist of a dictator. the surest way for the bloodshed to end is simple. >>ed that had a representative on the ground for weeks talking with them, getting them to commit to certain things. and the most important -- one of the most important was to be democratic in what they did to be inclusive as they put a geographically and politically. >> britain played a key role. it is clear that the end is near. foes on to say that he has committed appalling crimes and he must go now to avoid further suffering for his people. french and british air force planes began regular bomb attacks on the country. and hoe urged gadhafi to order soldiers to lay down their weapons and return to their barracks. >> he has been in power more than 40 years. how did it all come to this sth our profile is just ahead. >> what happens to all the guns and ammunition after the battle? some fear they could fall into the wrong hands. that lint balls are extremely flammable..

mr. president bin laden is dead, gadhafi is out and al qaeda is on the run. why does the white house seem to reluctant to make the cases for obama as a successful war. president? >>> plus is the texas economy really the miracle that rick perry claims it is? if so, how much credit does he deserve? we'll take a close look, fair and balanced, you might say, at the so-called texas miracle. >>> forget seismologists, talk to the animals. at washington's national zoo yesterday, moments before the, apes sought high ground, lemurs sounded an alarmt and bird huddled together. what do they know that we don't? >>> and let me finish with rick santorum's obsession with gays, marriage and your choice of paper products. >>> we start with the republicanis not really happy with their field. charlie cook is nbc's political analyst and editor of the cook political report. >>> and jonathan martin is senior political reporter for politico. welcome to you both. when i look at the republican field on on paper, it seems that none of them are actually electable. the thing is i think i

. >> would the tnc allow gadhafi to leave based on everything you know, mr. ambassador? l, that's what was said this morning. i think that if there is an exit for gadhafi to want to leave that's probably what they want to do. but for the libyan people that would be very hard. i'm sure that the tnc, they don't want to be challenged with the people. anyhow, the main thing for the libyan people and for me, he would be safe until they deal with him as with the itc. >> can you confirm that saif al-islam and saadi are in control or have been arrested by the tnc? >> saadi, i cannot confirm, but saif, yes. the other son mohamed came voluntarily after the revolution came to his house. >> stay with us, please. don't go away. we have more questions. i want to bring back michael holmes and holla. they are helping us cover this historic event in libya. >> thanks, wolf. we were speaking, in fact -- funny you should mention your country libya. we have here a man of egyptian origin who lived for years in libya. you have had a few hours to digest now this historic story from libya. what a

i imagine most of the areas that are still to be liberated will soon just -- the gadhafi regime, will -- >> all right. mr. shamsiddin, i think that connection just froze up on us. speaking to us from benghazi. the director for media relations i believe is his title for the transitional national council, the revolutionary, the opposition movement in libya. these rebels who seem to have captured so many neighborhoods in tripoli, the capital of libya. their big prize that they've been fighting for months for, with the help of nato air strikes there and we're hearing reports of celebrations in the main square in tripoli. this, of course, the main square where moammar gadhafi himself was addressing supporters. parts of tripoli where moammar gadhafi was brandishing his green book. this is a man who's ruled libya for 42 years. this very well could be the last few hours of his reign in libya. we're going to take a short break. had we come back, a lot more on our breaking news story. we'll be right back. no, it's just for new people. hey ! chocolate, vanilla or strawberry ? chocolate ! chocolate it is ! yeah, but

mr. wolfe, the body location of moammar gadhafi is still not been seen. nowhere, even by going through the compound has he been cited or have we seen seen any rumors of his sighting. what does this do in terms of this mission? can sin say there is closer? >> no, there isn't. afghanistan is unstable now. gadhafi has tremendous potential to make mischief, but this is a problem for the libyans to solve. that's important here as people look and say it's too early to say, to give the president any credit or say whether it's been successful. it's successful, because gadhafi is no longer in power. he can and probably will engage in a guerrilla type of operations behind the scenes. he will still have loyal and money for fund some of these mercenaries he's got, but if you look at the broader picture, this is for the libyans to resolve. because they were hout in front, the one argument that gadhafi had was this is all the colonists, and that's not true, as long as the libyans resolve this for themselves, this country will stand on its own feet in its own time. it m

the terror of gadhafi. >> prime minister david cameron is speaking this morning at 10 joining us now from washington, former secretary of defense and ceo of the cohen group, william cohen. mrontend with the gadhafi regime as secretary of defense, what are your thoughts this morning? >> well, i think we can all share in the joy of seeing this man go. he hasn't quite gone yet, but i think it's inevitable that he will. he has been a pariah to virtually every leader throughout the region and i think that's one of the reasons why he has no friends to turn to as such, other than the militias that he was able to pay for through the trend to security the apparatus. but i think most are going to be happy to see him go and then the question will become what happens now? and you've been discussing that in terms of, number one, maintaining stability. number two, hopefully the libyan rebels, now the government, will not seek to purge all of the people who have been associated with gadhafi on a wholesale basis. obviously, there are some who will be charged with human rights abuses and crimes against humanity. but i think it will be a mistake for them to simply go to a purging campaign w

gadhafi threatened to turn libya into volcanos, lava, and fire. joining me now, p.j. crowely, he's now the omar bradley chair at the army war college. mr. crowely, thanks very much for joining me tonight. >> hello, rachel. >> how significant is the capture of gadhafi's compound? >> from a tactical point, is important strategically and a huge psychological boost for the transition of national council, particularly given the embarrassment 24 hours ago of having gadhafi's sons so visible, so this is a very significant move. in the short-term now they have the challenge of security, making sure that, you know, the streets are controlled and conditions return to normal, and also politics. now, demonstrating that as a regional power center they can now credibly lead the country towards this transition. >> the government force which is now succeeding gadhafi, they are moving from benghazi to tripoli in the next few days, if that happens, do you think that actually will make a difference to the people of libya in terms of seeing the central power in their country? >> i think it will be a very important moment and a very important popular move. o

mr tunisian people. and many chiefs of these groups of rebels and from the politicians with gadhafi and then we completely change their face we went with the wind as they say anything and i think they are corrupt politician it. could be cursorily on a number of occasions three business connections among the gay she returned from a fact finding trip to libya with a handwritten letter she says was written by gadhafi to berlusconi in it he allegedly says he was surprised by your decision to join the coalition against libya especially after we signed a friendship and cooperation treaty between our two sides the cittie he's referring to he was signed just two months before the libyan uprising the letter goes on to ask why did you join our enemies or that any diplomatic dialogue or investigation berlusconi now seems tediously making it was that maybe the final chapter of the many feared conflicts will continue i would dare to say this stuff if you talk. to . among the rebels there is no such. census in both instances both in italy and in terms of the. needy. actually the person you talk to. would be. with the f

served with moammar gadhafi's ambassador to the united states but he broke with him and represents the new government of libya which the united states and so many other countries represents. mrssador welcome back. >> thank you for having me. >> first of all an update on where gadhafi? >> no news. >> you still believe he's in tripoli? >> i still believe he's in tripoli. >> you believe he's hiding? >> of course he's hiding. >> but not at the compound? >> he' it's been captured by th, nc forces and a great celebration. >> other bunkers he could be hiding out there? >> i doubt it. maybe in the compound. >> you think he's hiding out as you suggested yesterday maybe in one of the hospitals hoping that would be providing him what's called a human shield? >> nobody can predict what this guy's going to do, maybe sitting somewhere not far away, but the point until now they are not reaching him. >> so he still remains at large. >> still remains at large. >> when you were here mohammad gadhafi had he skapd, you confirmed that to our viewers here in the united states around the world which we thought was amazing but only a few hours later we learned saif al islam, the most powerful son a

gadhafi. where do you stand on those particular issues? >> well, mr. tripoli and that was -- that was unexpected to -- to some extent. however, it was planned for in that the uprising of the tripoli population was synchronized with the coming nato forces from the western mountain, military command and from misrata and from zawiyah. perhaps they had to rush in faster than expected but these things happen in any situation of conflict as far as war. things do happen that are not expected. however, the plan for the new -- did work and now that -- that is -- in terms of implementation and what is the stabilization plan which has been in the works for several months now and which is already in its third day of implementation since we declared day one three days ago. this implementation plan included stabilization of all sectors and all dimensions of life from security to food security to medical emergency services to communication infrastructure. >> let me ask you this then. you declared that as day one of the liberation of tripoli but the fact is you don't

gadhafi, i understand sadi is under your control. seif al islam under your control but mohammad escaped after he's arrested? >> mohammad is less aggressive among his brother. and then mr. abjalil want to deal with him this way. mohammad is son from a different woman, not from the same wife moammar gadhafi has. then they want to show the world this is the tnc, how they are dealing with gadhafi's sons. >> they let him go? >> they don't let him go. he had been hijacked by maybe gadhafi's forces. >> sounds very strange. >> sounds very strange and to me upset also. >> hijacked, sounds like there was a plot to get him free. >> exactly. because when they surrounded the security forces from libyan national army when they surround the house, the residence of mohammad he came out voluntarily, and they said, ask them what they want to do, okay, you are under arrest, we want to take you. he said no, i am not leaving my house and then they communicate mr. abjalil, he spoke to him, they allow him to go under the protection of some guard, they knew, not all of them are professional fighters, professional police, they are young people, they take care of them. we don't know the story

until you can a listen to chill chill as mr richard suggested to go clear read this in the can it was natural to retreat. libyan rebels are ready to storm gadhafi is home town under a nato air shield in a desperate effort to find the fugitive last as european governments start their own fight for oil deals in the country. a world war two veteran who is leading a campaign to expose corruption in british courts is losing his battle after an appeal against a six month jail sentence is dismissed. in the eye of the storm and new york braces itself for the fossil pro-trade here in irene as all public transportation is down at a state of emergency declared. the republic of casa looks to its newly elected president to rebuild the nation's economy which lies in ruins after years of struggling to maintain the president's. broadcasting live from our studios in moscow you're watching r.t. now fierce fighting reported in parts of libya as more market off he remains at large despite nato support of the rebels and the hunt for the fugitive colonel coalition forces have launched an attack on his last remaining stronghold that's going off his hometown of sirte

at a cabinet meeting, hugo chavez called gadhafi a brother and says venezuela would recognize no other libyan government. mrchavez has been highly critical about the nato air strikes on libya. >>> well, much more ahead for you on the situation in libya when we return. >>> we'll also have some other news of the day including an earthquake in the eastern part of the united states. millions of americans got the surprise of their lives. we'll show you what they did when the ground started shaking. and economic growth. north america actually has one of the largest oil reserves in the world. a large part of that is oil sands. this resource has the ability to create hundreds of thousands of jobs. at our kearl project in canada, we'll be able to produce these oil sands with the same emissions as many other oils and that's a huge breakthrough. that's good for our country's energy security and our economy. the healthcare law gives us powerful tools to fight it... to investigate it... ...prosecute it... and stop criminals. our senior medicare patrol volunteers... are teaching seniors across the country... ...to stop,

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future of post gadhafi libya and what the future holds for the conflict torn nation i'm joined by former bush administration official michael o'brien he's live in our studio in washington d.c. mr brown thank you very much indeed for being with us so now we have a temporary government with no experience of democracy a little knowledge of how to run a country almost no cash can stability really be built on such a fragile foundation. well we'll have to wait and see obviously kind of goes without saying but the fact of the matter is you know be careful what you ask for you might get it then again you may not the example of egypt that was just given they're not really they're a they didn't get what they were fighting for that may happen in libya as well. it seems that. the west is very there's a there's a bond between the libyan rebels and the western countries there's a lot of input. now what will have to do are a lot of you know a lot of interplay i should say but now we'll have to wait and see. the rebels who are still sort of you know exactly who are what are they and how will they did they are they just using the west to get to take over tripoli in the country and get rid of g

mr. obama said this operation would take days and not weeks. here we are five months on. we still don't know where gadhafiis. we though that his son is not as was earlier broadcast, and claimed by the transitional national council, they claimed he was in their hands. clearly that is not the case. what we can look at is several days, if not months of chaos in what is today libya. >> sean: the heritage foundation reported today as we look at images what has been going on. a new libyan draft constitution has been posted online. it does mention things like that are familiar to western democracy, like rule of law, freedom of speech, freedom of re john. multi-part electoral system. -- despite that it says islam is the religion of the state. and the principle source of legislation is islamic jurisprudence. in other words, sharia. >> this is one of the reasons why david cameron went back to work from his vacation. because they know and we should, the so-called tnc the transitional national council is made up of tribal clans, radical islamists, technocrats and they don't know what going to come of this. the chairm

dramatic move of the rebels in libya, if gadhafi flees, that changes the way the elite whose support assad think a lot about what they're situation is. >> jonathan? >> mrct world, what should or could the united states do to help mr. assad along in his departure plan? >> well, that's a great question. i remember long ago someone wrote an article, there should be an elbow for dictatordictato. way for them to go to an island, depart gracefully. in a perfect world, none exists. at this stape, the questige, thn you find a way to change their minds it's either reprisal or death in the palace? we don't know enough to know if they're thinking in other terms. i do believe, this is where, again, tsurkey, lebanon, maybe iran will be critical. it's very, very important to start toi issue the if then statements from the state department and european actors. if mr. assad were to do the following the international community would be prepared for this. we're at the stage where we set up the demands and the structure of maximum coercion short of military force and wait for it to play out for a week or two, and i hope then the statements will help give them an out. >>

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moammar gadhafi to negotiate a power transfer as they prepare a final attack on the colonel's hometown and. there's a big shake up in the russian space agency after the loss of another on man mr annan with signs is now washington resupply the international space station and prevent disaster. live pictures here from new york city as hurricane irene has been downgraded to a tropical storm it still has left over three million people without power along the u.s. eastern seaboard it is now it slamming into new york bringing fly winds and rapidly rising sea levels. now it's the first part of our feature on the debate over capital punishment in the u.s. stay with us.

gadhafi himself is still unaccounted for. the question is not only how america assesses our role in what happened but how we chose our role in what happens next. joining us now, dan rather, mr, it is very good to have you here, thank you for being here. >> great to be here on a night like tonight. what an exciting and inspirational time. this is a transforming year and a transformational decade. we had the arab spring and with -- with the extension in to the arab summer. and with syria and yeming still out there to perhaps extend to an arab winter. the echoes of this will reverberate through history for a very, very long time to come. >> i know you have personally interviewed moammar gadhafi three times. i'm sure it's hard to get into his head, but based on the conversations you've had, do you know what to expect from him at this point of extreme pressure in tripoli? >> the straight honest answer is no, but based on what little i know about him, he must be going through some version of on the one hand saying death before dishonor, i'll go down fighting, i'll go down in flames, i'll be a martyr, but say what you want about moammar gadhafi, a very strange and dangerous man, b

gadhafi. my point is not shaking hands, my point is taking opposite positions and being to vehement about it. so before the right wing bloggers bring this up, i just want, for the record, mrobama did shake his hand. it is just that position is different. he did it at the g 8 summit with that appropriate for heads 6 state. i don't want to give them, that, oh, my god, i messed up the night, i don't want to give them something to write about. maybe i will mess up on the teleprompter. thanks for being with me. >> thanks. >> up ahead, rick perry is tearing up the 2012 field. but he is not exactly sitting well the gop establishment. i guess that's what happens when you called the fed chair treasonist. stay with us. [ groans ] [ marge ] psst. constipated? phillips' caplets use magnesium, an ingredient that works more naturally with your colon than stimulant laxatives, for effective relief of constipation without cramps. thanks. good morning, students. today we're gonna continue... it into take? thanks. do we have to spell it out? can't republicans in congress get the message? instead, they protect tax breaks for big oil. tax breaks for billionaires. even tax breaks for companies

mr. ambassador. >> thank you. >> we talked to you on monday and you said you thought gadhafi's hours were numbered.d he hasn't surfaced? >> well, i think, you know, the rebels have won a nearly complete victory, but not totally complete. they've got to find gadhafi and establish total control over tripoli. gadhafi seems to be wanting to fight to the last man. he wants to rally his supporters. he doesn't have many left. his security forces melted away a couple days ago. the rebels have taken over nearly all of the country except for a few towns. they have to re-establish control, establish control, i should say, over the entire country. they've got to find gadhafi before this can be over. >> yeah. i was going to say, there's been some suggestion that yesterday was the bloodiest day so far. reporters were seeing signs of massacres by both sides. could this play out over the weeks and where do you see this going? >> you know, it wouldn't surprise me if gadhafi survived and was on the run for a few more days or even a few more weeks. it's a large country. the rebels, you know, have worked very hard to

mr. speaker, you said -- >> that's right. i said that thing specifically after the president that day announced gloriously to the world as president of the united states that gadhafi has to go. and i said if the president is serious about gadhafi going, this is what we should do. the following interview came after the same president said, well, i didn't really meant go meant go, i meant maybe we should have a humanitarian intervention. now, the fact that i was commenting on fox about a president that changes his opinion every other day ought to be covered by a fox commentator using all the things i said, not hand picking the ones that fit your premise. megyn: so that and his exchange with chris wallace which preceded it where he said, you know, he called the question sort of mickey mouse questions and gotcha questions and wanted chris to get off of those, in his view, have made a lot of headlines, bret. what did you make of it? >> well, i think speaker gingrich had that in his back pocket -- megyn: he kind of admitted that on hannity last night. >> yeah, and be he did. and i think that was to make a moment, and he did. he made a few moments. and to his credit he r

mr. anything you heard there that stuck with you? guest: the most important issue is the safety and security of the capital. how long these people from the gadhafi's regime are going to keep fighting? like at the hotel were all the journalists were being held. they had not received the memo that gaddafi more lust had disappeared and there were massive surrenders of forces and the compound was under attack. there is misinformation, disinformation, and propaganda. host: we will put the phone numbers on the bottom of the screen. separate lines for republicans, democrats, and independents. there is a cartoon, a shot from the duties alone -- from a beauty salon. "he is bound to turn up somewhere." how important is the fact that they find him or he materializes very soon to where things will go from here? guest: i think it is crucial he be found, apprehended, and brought to justice. gaddafi represents a segment of libyan societies tribal leadership that more laws has been sitting on the sidelines waiting to see how this all plays out. there were hedging their bets between those rebel leaders and nghazi.uzy -- been gau gaddafi -- in some respects, as lon