you say, mr gao, that the us has no _ all. you say, mr gao, that the us has no business _ all. the us has no business to look i all. you say, mr gao, that the | us has no business to look into this, but lawmakers say, who are part of the new delegation and these visits as a way of putting pressure on beijing to engage in dialogue. or is china open to engaging in a dialogue on this? , ., . on this? first of all, there are peeple _ on this? first of all, there are people in _ on this? first of all, there are people in the - on this? first of all, there are people in the united l are people in the united states, especially in washington, who believe that they are gods and whatever they do can change the world. they are not. there are no gods represented by these people in the world. they should mind their own business, rather than intervene in the tibetan buddhist holy process. secondly, china is perfectly happy to deal with his holiness dalai lama the 14th on one condition, and one condition only. that is the 14th dalai lama needs to recognise and acknowledge, in clear terms, une

mr. godtland, the fear medicaid benefitsresents -- ase workforce participation. gao's21 report on ticket to work examine the concern of losing medical benefits has on employment. can key findings and implications of that report and information we should be aware of? ms. godtland: absolutely. i think that question was directed to me. sen. cortez masto: yes. ms. godtland: the ticket to work program, we conducted a large cost-benefit evaluation of this program from 2002 towe were the most recent available data. what we found was cost exceeded the benefits by about $806 million over t period, and there were net losses to the program every horizon. we also found that about pa eligible beneficiaries participated.and at the participant level we found modest rso participants average earnings were timated $246151e similar five years after participating in the program. and 5.1% of participants left the rolls after five years of starting the program compared to 2.4% of similar nonparticipants. sen. cortez masto:ed on your analysis, what do we need to know in congress? that, what

mr. fear of losing medicare presents -- undermining efforts to decrease workforce participation. gao's2021 report on ticket to work examine the impact of the ing medical benefits has on employment. can you expand on theons of that report and information we should be aware of? bsolutely. i think that question was directed to ms. godtland: the ticket program, we conducted a large cost-benefit evaluation of this program from 2002 to 2015. we were constrained by the data, the mowhat we found was that the estimated the benefits by about $6 million over that period,nd there were net losses to the program every year over that time horizon. we also found that about 5% of participants over the course of those years of beneficiaries participated in the program. 5% of beneficiaries participated. and at the participant level we found modest results. so participants average earnings were about, we estimated $2451 more per year than similar nonparticipants five years after pticipating in the program. and approximatelyparticipants left the rolls program compared to 2.4% of masto: based on your analys

mr. graham to the hole team in gao for recommendations and also and all the references agreements before on these are tremendous amount of work that went into negotiating those agreements and won't come to the table in good faith and pleased to have been able to recommend "ooze out of our committee and thank you for those involved with that. and president peskin did you say artist graham. >> i said. >> (calling names.) >> and director i i'm sure 15 names i didn't include but the whole team in committee forward with recommendation and discussed them. >> i concur with what supervisor preston said no other names on the roster. and i believe we can take all of these items. >> roll call mr. president. >> why? >> because supervisor safai is here. >> (multiple voices). >> right roll call. >> roll call. >> 41 though 69 commissioner walton, aye. >> supervisor dorsey, aye. >> supervisor engardio, aye. >> supervisor engardio supervisor melgar aids. >> supervisor preston, aye. >> president peskin and supervisor ronen, aye. >> supervisor stefani, aye. >> supervisor safai, aye. >> and supervisor walto

mr. graham to the hole team in gao for recommendations and also and all the references agreements before on these are tremendous amount of work that went into negotiating those agreements and won't come to the table in good faith and pleased to have been able to recommend "ooze out of our committee and thank you for those involved with that. and president peskin did you say artist graham. >> i said. >> (calling names.) >> and director i i'm sure 15 names i didn't include but the whole team in committee forward with recommendation and discussed them. >> i concur with what supervisor preston said no other names on the roster. and i believe we can take all of these items. >> roll call mr. president. >> why? >> because supervisor safai is here. >> (multiple voices). >> right roll call. >> roll call. >> 41 though 69 commissioner walton, aye. >> supervisor dorsey, aye. >> supervisor engardio, aye. >> supervisor engardio supervisor melgar aids. >> supervisor preston, aye. >> president peskin and supervisor ronen, aye. >> supervisor stefani, aye. >> supervisor safai, aye. >> and supervisor walto

mr. godtland, the fear of losing medicare or medicaids presents -- undermining efforts to decrease participation. gao's2021 report on ticket to work examine the impact of the ing medical benefits has on employment. can you expand on the keytions of that report and information we should be aware of? ms. godtland: absolutely. i think that question was directed to me. . ms. godtland: the ticket to work program, we conducted a large cost-benefit evaluation of this 2015. we were constrained by the data, the most recent available data.what we found was that the estimated cost exeded the benefits by about $806 million over that period, andsses to the program every year over that time horizon. we also that about 5% of participants over the course of those years of beneficiaries participated in the program. 5% of eligibl beneficiaries participated. and at the participant level we found modest results. so earnings were about, we estimated $2461 more per year than similar nonparticipants five years after participating in the. and approximately 5participants left the rolls afte o program compared to 2.4% of simila

mr. hinchman you are now recognized for your opening remarks. >> thank you for chairman pederson members of the committee thank you for and fighting gao to discuss her work on the federal government's efforts to harmonize cybersecurity regulations. our nation depends on clear paste information for electronic data for fundamental operations in the process and maintain crucial operations. cyber-based intrusions on federal and non-federal systems by a a malicious actors are becoming more common and disruptive. these attacks threaten the continuity compliance integrity of these essential systems including those that support our nation's critical infrastructure. never is an been a greater need to ensure attribute vital systems have the appropriate direction and guidance needed to ensure their security. because theri private-sector ows the majority ofth the investor gets crucial to public and private sectors work together to protect these assets however when critical infrastructure sectors are subject to multiple regulations they grow and evolve in a decentralized manner this can result inon redundantre requirements. in recent years the interest in ha

mr. chdr. gottman, i wouldst, remaining on gao's high-risk list, due in part to the ssa's outdated use of occupational data to makesability decisions. if i heard your testimony correctly, i heard that they've already spent something like $100 million to update it but they are not using that information. did i hear you correct yes, that is correct. i believe the amount is higher, over $250 million. sen. crapo:n. and the information is not being utilized? ms. godtland: w yes, it is not being utilized. sen. crapo: so, explain a little bit about why this social security administration's use of this outdated occupational contributing factor to his disability programs being list. ms. godtland: thank you for that question. have, on our high-risk list, there's two main areas one for ssa is managing its backlog and one is modernizing its eligibility criteria. the eligibility criteria are absolutely essential in deciding disabilityso these are make or break people who are needing benefits. the data in particular are something that dates back right now to the 1990's and evenhe 1970's. the "washington post" artic

mr. chairman area i yield back. >> we're going to hear from will morton, we welcome him. ms. susan wilschke, associate commissioner for research demonstration employment for social ms. erin godtland, assistant director at the gaost certainly very important, will be katherine zulegeríaw district manager of the wisconsin field office and executive member of the nationalcurity managers. we'll put all of your written statements into the record if you could each take about five minutes or don't you proceed mr. morton, and we'll go right down the row please. >> chairman wyden, ranking member crapo, and other distinguished members of the committee, my name is will morton an analyst at theresearch service. thank you for the opportunity to testify today. my tes background information on the programs that are the focus of hearing. two programs, social security disability insurance or ssdi, and supplemental security income, or ssi. ssdi is part of the larger social security program, which provides monthly to insured workers and their eligibility family members in the event of a worker's disability, or deking for a sufficient period in jobs covered by social secury and payroll tax and benefits are based on a worker's car