mr herman, why should we believe that you didn't want to kill arkady babchenko?what this ultimately boils down to is, are you working as an agent for russia? mr herman's story has changed several times and despite repeated requests from the bbc, he's been unable to back up his claim that he was working with the sbu. so what are we to make of this extraordinary tale where nothing is quite as it seems? translation: we definitely believe the operation is a success. even if you just save the life of arkady babchenko, it is a success. thanks to this operation, we've also got a list of 47 potential targets, journalists, activists past and present, citizens of the russian federation. why should i believe what you're telling me now? i went out there and i reported what your organisation told us that night. it turned out to be lies. now you're speaking to me again. is this the truth this time? this murder was being prepared for real. real money was being paid. other units were working for real and the list of 47 potential victims is real. so the ends ultimately have justi