crosstalk mr kingston, i think you're misunderstanding what a lie is.flip—flopping isn't lying. donald trump has proven to be a teller of untruths. and i can catalogue literally hundreds if not thousands of them. but it doesn't really matter what i think, it's what his own closest associates think. that's what disturbs the american people. but none of those statements you've said from mattis were said — were a lie. those were still based on opinions. those were opinions that they had. we do know for a factjoe biden said he had nothing to do with hunter biden‘s dealings with burisma and the corrupt company that he was on the board of. he said he never met with them. but we know now that he did meet with them. in fact, there's even a picture of them playing golf together. so, that is a lie. he said he didn't. the evidence is something else. with respect, the republican senate report into hunter biden‘s work in ukraine found, ultimately, that there was no evidence that us foreign policy had been influenced by it. so i'm not really sure quite how far you're

mr kingston, obviously i am on the shed to challenge you about donald trump, who is your man.onto their records but i need you to address donald trump's record. that is the point of this interview and i want to ask you whether you think it is right that in a democracy, the democratically elected president deliberately and consciously chooses to mislead the american people from the very get go? i did not think he was misleading people at all. if you look at the pandemic level of people rushing out and buying toilet paper and masks. the reason why we were trying to prioritise masks was that people in healthcare and hospitals and healthcare facilities had masks because the average person originally did not need a mask and that was part of the cdc and who — there was a controversy about masks. if donald trump is going to get the full blame, which is not accurate, but if he does have a blame for everything that goes wrong with coronavirus, we did to look at the american system which actually says the governors of the 50 states have huge authorities... excuse me, mr kingston, the po

mr kingston, i am on the show to challenge you about donald trump who is your man. state and national levels on their records, but i need you to address donald trump. i want to ask you, do you think it is right ina ask you, do you think it is right in a democracy that the democratically elected president deliberately and consciously chooses to mislead the american people from the very get—go? the american people from the very get-go? i don't think he is misleading people at all. if you look at the panic level of people rushing out to buy toilet paper, we had shortages of paper towels, you cannot get masks and the reason why we we re masks and the reason why we were trying to prioritise masks is so that people in health ca re is so that people in health care hospitals and health care facilities had masks because people originally did not need a mask now as per the cdc and the who and everybody else. a big controversy about masks, bowls relevant about the democrats is that if donald trump is going to get the full plane which is not after it, —— full plane which is not

mr. pence spoke at an event tonight in kingston, north carolina. >>> meanwhile, joe biden will appear at a virtual concert tonight. senator kamala harris campaigned in michigan today. mr. biden continues to lead the president in our nbc news national polling average. we will focus on the election all next hour starting at 9:00 p.m. eastern. meanwhile, washington is refocusing on the senate. today it held a sunday session which is rare to advance judge amy coney barrett's nomination to the supreme court. today's vote allows formal debate to begin for up to 30 hours. that brings senators one step closer to the final vote. that could happen tomorrow night. we will speak with democratic senator sheldon whitehouse of rhode island in just a few minutes. >>> thursday's presidential debate made a bit more news and a bit less noise than the first matchup. president trump said his administration was working very hard to reunite migrant families separated at the border. but is that true? 545 children were separated from their parents in 2017. we have been reporting out what happened to them and what