fighting corruption corruption is china continues and was continuing to grow over the years if mr kissinger who talk to say what agency said before yesterday that it's inevitable that we should believe mr kissinger of course as we know corruption exists in every society even the most democratic society with a long tradition of more protests and everything in china corruption is not something new it's been there for centuries it's really grew. this wildly i'll come to this point the previous government the china government done what communism took power communalism power it collapsed because of corruption corruption to many. experts outside experts and chinese experts agree on that it was the head that's what they feel now that is good is going to. be in the strong because as i said it exists in every society because it's a long tradition and because it's basically a one party system of course they do have other parties but they work on the control of the commons by then they in fact it's one party system and when all power belongs to the party bosses and you cannot criticize them it's very

mr. rothkopf, former managing director of kissinger associates and current ceo of foreign policy.s foreign policy? >> guest: divisional, washington post foreign policy magazine, the foreign policy website which is not much bigger than the magazine, three million visitors on the web site and runs a series of events and other programs on international issues. >> host: mr. rothkopf, in "power, inc." you have a chapter about a swedish boat. what is that story? >> guest: i wanted to go to the origin story of the company. companies in one form or another have existed since the beginning of time but the oldest corp. still in existence is a swedish company that started perhaps 1,000 years ago when a goat wandered away from its owner and came back with red horns because it had shrunk from a stream that was full of copper ore and the owner came back and found the extreme and started digging for copper ended became a copper company and became a company called totenberg which means great copper mountain and is now primarily in the paper business. about $20 billion a year in sales it is bigger