. >> i would like to ask mr mr. dredler, who was a commissioner, to explain to us if he in his practice as a commissioner has ever used the provision he was quoting us. would you mind speaking to us about that. we are in a very awkward situation as the definition of demolition between d.b.i. and the planning department is definitely not on the same page, not to say they're at odds. could you explain in your time of how you used that provision, if at all. >> i was on a different commission. >> oh, i thought you were on the planning commission. >> no, i wasn't. but i am very familiar with that section of the building code and that's been an enormous frustration. as a retired c.p.a., i'm used to opining, but opining on financial matters. i get really annoyed when we have people who are not lawyers opining on the intent of section 103(a). i think because this matter comes before the commission with regularitity, it's important to nail this down with a legal opinion and not have this back and forth, left and right movement where