portal in san francisco, so any way. thank you. >>commissioner cleaveland: thank you, commissioner hardeman. vice president nakajo. >> commissioner nakajo: thank you, mr. president. just as a point of clarification, i know and will need feedback in terms of this particular item. in terms of september the 25, we're scheduled for a retreat. i believe you said the retreat time is between 10:00 and 3:00. and for myself, it would be nice, mr. president, if there could be clarity addressed to agenda and schedule, meaning, what time we're coming, what are we talking about. i understand we're going to have a facilitator, which for myself, i don't recall the facilitator that was exchanged for the retreat. >>commissioner cleaveland: none is setup at this point because neither that i talked to are available. >> commissioner nakajo: okay. and i didn't realize that we have a budget for facilitator, and so i assume that's going to be taken care of, who are the facilitator is in the budget. so i just wanted to get more of the information. and i think between 10:00 and 3:00, there's lunch scheduled, and my clarity, is it a working lunch or social lunch? and just for