stoddard of real clear politics. thanks for joining me. a.b.: thanks for having me. mrs. doesn't normally create a stir in public, so is it fair to assumen that by doing , something very bad must be happening in the white house? a.b.: well, she has indicated in interviews that she has a line her husband and she doe voice her opinions on personnel matterhi i think thatis a woman who has decided in this job, even though she is a private person that she is ing to cut her own path and writer heown pages in the history books. i think she is not afraid, time and again, to contradict her husband and assert herself. this is about asserting herselft ms of influence with her husband's advisors, but also her stepdaughter ivanka trump and her husband, jared kushner,y who are nfluential in the decision-making in the president. melania is not to be underestimated. the is private but fearless. jane: what do yok is prompting the broader shakeup we are expecting involving john kelly, the chief of staff? a.b.: several things are happening at the white house. not only are there people inter