mr trumka i think by the before the stroke in washington has never been a hero for europe. she was not considered as a symbol of ukrainian democracy europe has been constantly suspicious about. was business track record about her connections with russia's official some big business her personal connection was rather more potent which had been established and generally two thousand and nine when this contract had been signed and so on and so on was the when you say personal relations and you mean business the business deal there the way they made business in your days as well as deal and mutual some missing hardly to be hidden from european view but do you believe there is mutual so there was a. solicitor general the kind many times and now we see and hear. openly supports the wrote in washington that she is here that this is true because because she has never been a big fan of russia she has never been a big fan of moscow of kremlin how could have could have she she deserves sympathy . of prime minister yulia timoshenko didn't i know her well enough. we were in france the e

mr. trumka, thank you very much for your time tonight. >> rachel, thanks for having me on. >> your new jobs the kind of goals labor has been long calling for. big infrastructure investment, energy and education investment. manufacturing investment. aid to state and local governments. home mortgage aid. wall street reform. things you have called for in the past. but this is put together in one package. is it meant to be different than what the president is proposing? bigger than what the president is proposing? how does this fit in with what we're hearing from president obama? >> i think the president made a very, very important step when he introduced the american jobs bill. he switched the debate from deficit hysteria that really doesn't put anybody back to work, to job creation. and his bill is a very, very, very important first step. he'll tell you it's only a first step. we want to support that bill. we want to put millions of americans back to work. if you want to cure the economy, if you want to eliminate deficits, rachel, the best way to do that is put americans back to work and that

mr. trumka what he thinks about a closed union shop.as in the railroad industry for 40 years and i was forced to be in a union. i would like to ask mr. trump that if he agrees with that. guest: let me give you an example. what you have right now is a union comes in and there is a vote and everyone is in the shop, but not so in a right to work sates. -- states. fors say we had a vote governor and i did not like to vote and i did not have to listen to that governor. i did not have to comply with the governor or go along with anything that governor does. that is essentially what a right to work state does. after there's a vote in the majority of people vote for a union, the majority gets to say they do care. -- they do not care. they do not want any of the responsibility. that weakens the voice against the employer and it weakens what i would call democracy. there are people who did not agree with barack obama or any governor in any state said they would not comply, then you have a weakened state, a week and the system. host: democrat from

mr. trumka what he thinks about a closed union shop. i was in the railroad industry for 40 years and i was forced to be in a union. i would like to ask mr. trump that if he agrees with that. guest: let me give you an example. what you have right now is a union comes in and there is a vote and everyone is in the shop, but not so in a right to work sates. -- states. fors say we had a vote governor and i did not like to vote and i did not have to listen to that governor. i did not have to comply with the governor or go along with anything that governor does. that is essentially what a right work state does. after there's a vote in the majority of people vote for a union, the majority gets to say they do care. -- they do not care. they do not want any of the responsibility. that weakens the voice against the employer and it weakens what i would call democracy. the are people who did not agree with barack obama or any governor in any state said they governor in any state said they would

mr. trumka, i am a member of the bipartisan u.s.-china commission, a congressional intent on trade with china. since 2000, we've had about $2 trillion worth of trade deficits with china. the commission has recommended that we take action to countervail china's underprice currency. peter reid has announced he is taking a bill to the floor, a bipartisan bill to put pressure on china to change this illegal practice of underpricing its currency. i had seen where the u.s. chamber of commerce, the u.s.-china business council, the club for growth and others have all announced their opposition to the bill. so i wanted to get your view on why are they so what does this legislation? to what is the position of the afl-cio on this legislation? and three, what is the position of the obama administration on this legislation? >> well, i am sort of amazed that you are surprised. of course there are. they represent the multinationals. there's been a group that have been crying from the national association of manufacturers and the chamber of commerc