vince gray is the washington, d.c., mayor. he joins us this morning. mr. play yore -- mr.ou. >> you've been in favor of living wages as a policy in general. why veto this one? >> well, because i think, one, it would have killed jobs in the district of columbia. when you look at it, it covers only a very narrow category of retailers -- walmart, costco and a variety of other retailers. and, frankly, our economic development and our folks estimate we would have lost somewhere between 4,000 and 4,500 jobs. and, frankly, even the jobs that would be created, there's no guarantee they would go to people who live in the district of columbia, because maryland residents, virginia residents all would be eligible for those jobs. and as you indicated, too, i think that there are a number of retailers who would have simply located outside the district of columbia, which is very accessible to areas of the city, and people would have gone out there to shop where people would have paid -- been paid lower wages. >> yeah. how explicit, i wonder -- i mean, you suspect others -- other retailer