and he said he would not be surprised if in the very near term the police named mr warner not just as a person of interest but as the subject of the investigation and one possible theory is that he was acting alone that that vehicle exploded with a person the bomber inside of it interestingly in the case of mr warner records show that he had recently transferred the deed of his home worth $89000.00 when he bought it anyway to a woman in california so there is a lot of suspicion of valving around mr warner but he still only being called a person of interest by the police they say they've got 500 tips and they're still trying to track them all down. ok so maybe they have a person of interest but there's still no motive being talked about right so there's a lot of questions still around this case wondering how is the city of of nashville responding at christmas day bombing i mean this was a huge shock for this is he wasn't. it wasn't his not doubt communications for a large part of the area cell service has largely been restored and that's because a.t.f. is erected these temporary sale p

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mr. warner wanted to kill anybody. that's why he gave a warning.re's a lot of people in the area and law enforcement showed up and they were able to clear the area. no one died. we had a dog walker that was going to walk down the street was turned back by law enforcement. you referenced officer were also set a voice, a voice from god, had them turn around and walk away from that explosion. this is absolutely a miracle. >> marie: nashville has been through a lot this year. they had terrible when he does. tennessee has been hit pretty hard. what are your thoughts? >> lisa: i believe the media's giving this too much attention. clearly had he had an intention to make noise. live in infamy. you don't do something like this to set off an explosion like this. i'm all about denying him what he wanted and the ability to live in infamy. we see it time and time again. there's a ton of research to back up the copycat effect. school shootings, bombings, terror attacks. they tend to lead to more particularly when the media gives it a lot of coverage. i don't bel

so i said, "even so, mr warner, i would like to be in it, i really would." i'm spartacus! me the chance to do movies i wanted to do. like i wanted to do spartacus, i wanted to do a movie about vikings, paths of glory. would you like me to suggest what you can do with that promotion? those were movies, they were not easy, even though they were quite successful, it was not easy to get the financing for them and all that. # get up # get on up # stay on the scene # get on up # like a sex machine # get on up...# on my signal, open north—west section 17. wa kanda forever! i know what it means to see somebody that looks like you and play the hero and the villain. and have the freedom to be both things. why should i not be glad to contemplate the clouds clearing beyond the dormer window and the high tide reflected on the ceiling? there will be dying, there will be dying, but there is no need to go into that. the poems flow from the hand unbidden, and the hidden source is the watchful heart. the sun rises in spite of everything, and the far cities are beautiful and bright. and i he

mr. warner and confirm it was that of anthony warner and then there was video evidence this happened in a downtown area with lots of cameras around. it was from that video evidence that they were able to confirm that he acted alone and that they are not looking for any additional suspects. michelle >> shaq, thank you for the update there >>> we turn now to an update on another holiday weekend tragedy. police in rockford, illinois, say a member of the u.s. army special forces has been arrested after he allegedly shot and killed three people and injured three others at a bowling alley. 37-year-old duke webb has been charged with multiple counts of murder and attempted murder. he tried to disguise himself and also attempted to hide his weapons when officers arrived on the scene. a motive was unknown, but the police chief says it is believed to be random the victims included three men >>> just in time to celebrate new years even, actress lori loughlin will be released from prison today the "full house" actress was serving her role in the college admission scandal. and her husband is still ser

mr. warner, may have had an issue with 5g technology and online conspiracy theories stemming from it.s that an intent here? and when you were talking about trying to figure out what motivates him and copycat, what are you most concerned about going forward? this is a pretty tense time in the country. >> yep. i don't have to tell you we're living in incredibly politically-charged environment. there is tremendous dangerous polarization and it is being fueled by social media conspiracy theorists out there. there are individuals who think that 5g technology may be the cause of covid and that technology is generally targeting us. wuyou'll find anything imaginable and unimaginable online. that's why we need to speak the truth about what 5g is, where covid came from, and all of this. but all of that increases the possibility of a copycat operator, and we've got to be extremely vigilant as we move into the next couple of weeks, where we're going to see the nation increasingly polarized about election results and an inauguration. >> brennan: thank you for your analysis. we'll be right back wit

mr. warner, let's talk about what is in this deal. can you put a direct number on that? >> first of all, let's look at the overall deal, it is about $900 billion. while this is targeted, it's size, this will be the second largest piece of federal legislation in our history. the cares bill was the biggest, this is the second biggest, this is larger than even what happened after the 2008 financial crisis if provides food assistance and it provides rental assistance, unemployment, it provides broadband, it provides help for childcare centers. i think we targeted those areas most in need. i don't have the exact number yet on the direct stimulus. i do fear that some of the direct payments were taking out of the unemployment benefits. i think someone that is unemployed getting the check is different from someone that makes $150,000 a year and is seeing no economic loss. some are saying some checks are more important than other priorities. i believe it is $600 per individual. and again that would be roughly in the $140 billion range in terms of cost. >> did i hear correctly tha

mr. warner. new the associates of his.o we will be spending a lot of time as we already have been talking to a lot of people trying to piece together a possible motive. it is difficult at this point if we will ever be able to specifically lock in on what that motive is, that will be dependent on the information. >> alicia: still so much work to do, this morning on "america's newsroom," tennessee governor getting the update on the investigation, take a look. >> we have been fortunate, we believe that there is no one else involved. we have determined that at least so far, nashville is a very safe city and has a history of being such. so to have the sort of thing happen in our city is very unusual. fortunately, it appears it is not attached to other folks. and there is no further danger. >> alicia: director rausch, is this considered domestic terrorism? >> the definition for domestic terrorism we have not met yet. trying to determine if there is an ideology that this person was trying to push by their act of violence. at this

mr. warner was killed in the blast. the fbi atf raided his home in antioch tennessee yesterday, the suburb of 10 miles southeast of nashville. sources tell us they believe warner acted as a so-called lone wolf but investigators are still looking into possible motives as the city's mayor suggest warner's aim was to take out the large at&t phone transmission building downtown nashville. hello everyone this is a brand-new hour of "america's news headquarters" i'm eric shawn. >> i am laura ingle and for arthel neville, the federal and local law enforcement are going to hold a news conference at 5:00 p.m. eastern and we will bring that to live once it starts. meantime authorities say they believe the suspect died in the blast as eric mentioned, nashville police are working to identify human remains found near the scene. earlier today city leaders commended those six incredibly brave nashville police officers who helped evacuate the downtown area minutes before the parked rv exploded saving thousands of lives. charles watson i

mr. warner was killed in the blast. ntioch tennessee yesterday, the suburb of 10 miles southeast of nashville. sources tell us they believe warner acted as a so-called lone wolf but investigators are still looking into possible motives as the city's mayor suggest warner's aim was to take out the large at&t phone transmission building downtown nashville. hello every

mr. warner was paranoid about 5g technology. back in may, the feds warned of the increase in threat against 5g facilities. according to one bulletin obtainobtain ed yahoo news. it appears that anthony warner was aiming to take down the at&t phone transmission center. the red brick building. he parked the rv next to it. he was an i.t. computer guy. his late father worked for bellsouth. you think a 5g conspiracy is a viable explanation for what he did? >> well, he certainly had a lot of personal issues. ultimately it's going to be hard for us to determine. the guy that knows, anthony warner, is not with us anymore. there's no discussion with him about what motivated him. we'll be speculating. what is important going forward is talking lessons learned and map out the vulnerabilities that warner exploited and close those off so that other adversaries, terrorists and individuals, criminals, can't do the same sorts of things that warner did. >> look at a car bomb next to a windowless building like many of those are in different cities

mr. warner. those things are always considered to be a target.ecurity is always been very heavy whether it's a hardened infrastructure. to protect that. it will be a target and somebody law enforcement and corporate security need to consider. >> i know you are well practiced nd this field. it strikes me that it's worrying in some ways. it's not that hard to do this kind of thing. >> unfortunately there's not. there's way too much information on the internet. that just lead people down paths. >> yeah. you have the right motivation. fascinating to talk to you. thanks so much. >> we'll take a quick break. spain has begun to administer the first dose of the covid-19 vaccine. we'll go live to see how the roll out works and the struggle to get americans to take covid seriously and stop spreading the virus. we discuss. if you have moderate to severe psoriasis or psoriatic arthritis, little things can become your big moment. that's why there's otezla. otezla is not an injection or a cream. it's a pill that treats differently. for psoriasis, 75% clearer s

mr. warner is deceased from that last and originally when this happened they said they found human tissue in the area and they will do dna sampling to see if that is the case and if the investigation continues as far as the motive and how this happened, they also want to know how this person was able to put together any kind of bomb and was a something over months or weeks or was it over years. several neighbors have told local affiliates in the area that they have seen the rv parked there for years, if you go and check the home address on google earth you can actually see an rv parked in the driveway, there is a future on google earth were you go back in time several years, i did that and you can see the rv parked in different places around the property in one part a few years ago facing front word and authority say that is the rv that is seen in the surveillance image from second street in nashville.. leland: great reporting, just to put a bow on this so we understand, your sources are saying the person responsible for this is also the person who died in the blast? >> that is what they

mr. warner quickly. also the fact -- the tips that came in to them. remember, the police put out a photo of that rv, and almost immediately they were flooded with tips about that rv. it led them to a home of this individual. and also as we've been reporting, they went to family members to get dna samples. they also were at his home collecting dna samples. just think about it, how quickly they about able to move in this investigation to get dna samples, to then analyze those dna samples and match them and confirm the identity of the bomber. and also they would have to have taken these samples. there are two ways that they did this. they had the tennessee officials here, their forensics lab identify it. but then the fbi also at their quantico lab also identified the dna, and it matched. so really a very quick resolution here to this investigation, and this is why, as we've been reporting, almost from that night, several hours after the bombing on christmas evening, the police here were pretty certain that they knew who did this. for whatever reason, the

mr. warner. so, those things are always considered to be a target.urity has always been very heavy, whether it's cctv, whether it's hardened infrastructure, all different means to try to protect that. but it will always be a target and it's something that law enforcement and corporate security need to consider. >> yeah, you're well practiced in this sort of field, but you know, it strikes me that -- and it's worrying in some ways. it's not that hard to do this kind of thing. >> unfortunately it's not. there's way too much information out there on the internet. there's that just lead people down these paths. >> yeah, yeah. you have the right motivation. fascinating to talk to you. thanks so much. appreciate your expertise. >> thank you, thank you. >> we're going to take quick break. when we come back, the european union launching a covid vaccination campaign with the first doses happening all over europe now, including in the former epicenter of the pandemic. we'll be live from the region after the break. three seconds to flawless roots three...two...

mr. warner, they gathered evidence there, including dna.hey're also gathering dna from his family members to try and positively identify him. so for now that is what we're waiting for. we're waiting for police to update us to see if they've made this identification. they do tell me that they are going to make a significant announcement here in just about ten minutes or so. >> all right. shimon prokupecz, natasha chen, we'll check back with you momentarily. thank you so much because, again, just moments away now from the start of that news conference in downtown nashville where officials are expected to give an update on that christmas day rv explosion. of course we'll bring that to you as it happens. we'll be right back. investing today wherever you are - even hanging with your dog. so, what are you waiting for? download now and get your first stock on us. robinhood. sprinting past every leak in our softest, smoothest fabric. she's confident, protected, her strength respected. depend. the only thing stronger than us, is you. >>> all right.

mr. warner. so, those things are always considered to be a target.he security has always been very heavy, whether it's cctv, whether it's a hardened infrastructure, all different means to try to protect that. but it will always be a target and it's something that law enforcement and corporate security need to consider. >> yeah, and you're well-practiced in this sort of field, but it sort of strikes me that -- and it's worrying in some ways. it's not that hard to do this kind of thing. >> unfortunately it's not. there's way too much information out there on the internet that just lead people down these paths. >> yeah, and have the right motivation. fascinated to talk to you. thanks so much. appreciate your expertise. >> thank you. thank you. >> and we will right back. you can really save. save for being a new customer. save more for adding drivewise. save even more for driving safely. take another look at allstate -and start saving. visit allstate.com or contact your local agent today. or psoriatic arthritis, little things can become your big moment.

mr. warner. so, those things are always considered to be a target. so, the security has always been very heavy, whether it's cctv, whether it's a hardened infrastructure, all different means to try to protect that. but it will always be a target and it's something that law enforcement and corporate security need to consider. >> the investigation is ongoing, but so far authorities haven't linked the bombing to domestic terrorism. well, it only took less than a week for the u.s. to add another million new coronavirus cases. more than 19 million americans have been infected, and dr. anthony fauci warns the worst may be still to come. stay with us. say na-na. stop your cough from interrupting, with dq cough and congestion. it's max strength formula coats your throat and provides powerful relief. new dayquil cough and congestion. the maxcoat daytime power through your cough medicine. >>> the u.s. surpassed 19 million known cases of the coronavirus over the weekend. that's according to data from johns hopkins university. the u.s. has the most cases in the

mr. warner in the rv with a bomb. if you're playing clue, that would have been enough to win.ed a loss by law enforcement that they had all the pertinent information 16 months ago and somehow it slips through the cracks. >> and this is not to take away from the hero police officers who managed to get residents out of their homes in harm's way in between the 911 call and when the bomb went off. but police today said that they had no legal basis for search warrants or subpoenas and an attorney wouldn't let them check the rv. >> well, couple things about -- >> the officers did not have probable cause to get a search warrant. there was a call for service on a lady who had two guns who needed care, so, you know, she needed some assistance. there was nothing else there to say, okay, yeah, we can get -- you have to have probable cause at a crime. >> sure. >> being committed or about to be committed. right then there was nothing other than a statement from someone. >> sorry about that. we just wanted to get our viewers to hear that in detail as well. police officers said they sent his

mr. warner, and they didn't have his properties.to search what is your reaction to that?is not good enough.be use for myself and a lot of people in my community, if it had been a black person or a muslim person, that door -- they would have done something. they would have found a warrant. to isow it not just an m.p.p. that was notified and nothing was done, somebody dropped the ball. >>awaz: let me ask yu about the way this is being talked about. on sund ay, theb.i. said they don't have enough evidence to call him a domestic terrorism. police say he sha has no specific criminal record. what do you make the way authorities are presenting this right now? s. i think it is not just the authorit the media, and the citizens -- there is a double standard when its co our reaction to things like this. we had an unfortunate event n chattanooga not too long ago, where a people, d the f.b.i. called it an act of terrorism immediately. but what is upsetting is that we're not consistent. there is a double standard in how we treat crimes. and we shouldt , regardless of the faith or the c

this case is that there are pictures people have taken them from google earth of the house where mr warner lived that had a recreational vehicle parked in the backyard strikingly similar to the one that exploded here in downtown nashville police have said he is a person of interest but they have not said he is a suspected bomber but if we put together all of the pieces that we are seeing here . you start to get a picture that police seem to suspect that there is only one bomber we know that because they say there is no continuing threat and and that they believe that. they the human remains they found on the scene there might give them more information but they've also said that there were no casualties among residents so the theory seems to be that there was a lone bomber in that recreate. no vehicle it exploded killing the bomber this is just speculation based on the information we have we're hoping the police will tell us more about what that theory is but they're or conspiracy theorists who believe that the system is somehow spreading covert 19 through its 5 g. system scientists say th

mr. warner? >> well, i think they will find something like that, jason, and also i'm a fan of your commentary, by the way. i love to listen to all your commentary on m.s. >> thank you. >> i think they will find the reason and up to maybe 90%. it's certainly going to be blurred somewhat in this guy's mind. your question is spot on. how do you determine a motive when the person is deceased? well, first you look at the actions, you you look at the crime itself, the manufacturer of the bomb, the time and purpose intent and money spent and effort put in. giving away his possessions his real estate. this is a lot of planning for this guy. he's not going to let us go in the dark without letting us know what happened. and where does he go with this bomb. he could go anywhere in this vehicle. anywhere in the city or the county. but he drives next to the at&t building and in the last video released today by nashville police you could see he parked it right on the curb side in front of the at&t, used to be

mr. anthony warner acted alone here. >> we're still following leads, but right now, there is no indication that any other persons were involved. we've reviewed hours of security video, surrounding the recreational vehicle, as well as, we saw no other people involved around that vehicle. >> we know that investigators were at warner's home yesterday. that's where much of the activity was happening, as they essentially raided his home, was going in and out, taking pictures and gathering evidence. we know over the past 24 hours or so, investigators have been looking at his digital devices, trying to go through and see if they can answer any question as to why he did this. that was one thing why investigators admitted they don't have handle on right now. they can't address the why to this. why would someone take that rv, obviously, something that requires a lot of planning, going to the downtown area, set that warning off, and then detonate a bomb. clearly a bomb that had a massive impact. and really devastated the downtown area, not just that one block, but many blocks around the detonation im

mr. warner. moderator, are there any additional callers on the line? we will close public comment. the next item is item 10 and all are considered to be routine and acted upon by a single vote. there'll be no separate discussion of an item unless a member requests and there's only one item here, 10.1 is approving parking modifications, a throughi. i won't read all of them. >> are there comments or reasons that people would like to consider these items separately? okay. moderator, please open the lines for public comment? with that it's back before the board board of directors. >> move for approval. >> is there a second? >> second. >> great. >> i'll call the roll. chair borden. >> aye. >> director brinkman. the item passes. >> i'd like to call item 11 and 12 together. >> item 11 adopting the sfmta action plan and item 12 adoption of a resolution declaring anti-black racism a human rights plan. >> i'm bad at names and i apologize in advance. >> i'd like to introduce this item since it's true to my heart before he speaks. we brought to you our draft racial equity action plan. i'm plea

warner. >> thank you, mr. chairman i'll make a quick comment first referring back to health care disparities and one half times more likely of the population two to three more times likely in a practice the technology-based solution with a senior navigator where we would train and had a statewide site with senior programs and otherwise related and going through church or senior center and usually train on one navigator and access diagnosis and the panels comments about trying to make sure we get the appropriate patient mix with the minority communities. my question we think the whole panelist, my mom had alzheimer's 11 years nine of which he did not speak in my father and sister took care of her the last few weeks i cannot imagine hunt taking on that challenge, something i'd been working on since i was governor on advance care planning, bipartisan legislation i think stevan reached in order and i dislike the panels to speak to this, how we can do a better job of the team-based approach, the families alzheimer'

anthony fauci has accepted mr biden‘s offer to remain as chief medical adviser warner brothers will stream watching bbc news. a 16—year—old boy is among the four people who died in an explosion at a waste water treatment works near bristol yesterday. the other men who were killed all worked for the site's operator wessex water. the company says it's ‘absolutely devastated' by the incident in avonmouth. 0ur correspondentjon kay has more. formal identification still has to be done but the police have given four names. the youngest of them luke wheaton, who was just 16 years old. we understand that he'd only recently started working here apparently as an apprentice, and he was killed in this blast alongside three older men, three colleagues. their names michaeljames, who was 64, raymond white, who was 57, and brian vickery, who was 63. i spoke to mr vickery‘s widow and sons this afternoon. they told me he'd worked here for more than 40 years, that everyone loved him, that he was a larger—than—life character, a practicaljoker who loved his football, but they didn't want to speak publicly today

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warner thomas. thomas is the oxner ceo, one of the biggest in louisiana. the largest nonprofit healthcare company. how they will go about getting this distributed to folks. mrg the time here. how do you go about getting this out to folks? because it's one thing to approve something but another to get it out in people's arms. how do you do it? >> neil, thanks for letting me be with you today. we've been preparing this for months for this day that hopefully is coming next week. we have five of the ultra cold minus 80 freezers that are deployed across louisiana. we have 26 of the minus 20 freezers deployed across louisiana. we anticipate hopefully with the emergency authorization to get 9,400 doses approximately on monday. that's our anticipation. we would begin vaccinating our healthcare workers immediately upon receipt of the vaccine. we've worked on this for some time. we're ready today, or monday for the approval to be done and receive the vaccine on monday. >> you know, apparently enormous pressure on the fda to get this out. in fact, do so and give the green light today. "the washington post" was reporting that the white house chief of staff, mark meadow

joe manchin and mark warner, to all of my colleagues on the other side of the aisle, i have enjoyed this experience. to my republican colleagues, i was impressed before we begin mr. and he together, i am more impressed today. susan collins, bill cassidy, all of you have demonstrated to me -- and mitt romney. [laughter] >> and lisa. i knew the other ones before we started the journey. these i got to know after we started the journey. they truly are mentors of mine as to how to be statesmen in the united states congress. i thank you for that honor and lesson. echo theforward, i too relief that we have come here to announce today is something we are not done with. law.has to get signed into as my colleagues and eyes stood and took a pledge a few weeks ago, we will not leave for christmas break until this is delivered to the american people. as we talk about christmas miracles, let us remember, it's not christmas yet. as josh alluded to, i think there is one more christmas miracle we hope to perform in a house, and get these two bills into one. with that, i just want to say, let us get it done. not for us, but for the people that we represent, and the people who nee

mr. chairman, it will yield back my final 15 seconds. sen. crapo: thank you. deeply appreciated. senator warner. echowarner: let me also what my colleagues have said. thank you for your leadership on this committee and in particular, secretary mnuchin, plan to help on your help black and latino businesses hit by covid. you may know this morning about partisan -- morning bipartisan group of senators announced an emergency relief framework. i don't think the stakes could be higher. seen the foode lines across our country. we know that small businesses are on their last legs. we know that many front-line workers are to be laid off. and literally, people are out of their homes as early as january. i think that is unacceptable and my hope is that members of the administration, members of the congress, will sit down and figure out a framework that can be that bridge to get it done before the holidays. this bridge, and it is not a .ong-term plan it is not what president biden will want to do, but this package, which weighs in at $908 billion, takes care of health, student loan assistance, small broadba

mr. president, i'm very happy that the covid relief package includes an extension of the thune-warner employer participation and repayment act. it allows employers to make tax-free contributions to their employee student loans up to $2,500 per year. this is a win for employees who get help paying off their student loans and it's also a win for employers as they look to attract and retain talented workers. our bill was included in the cares act, the major coronavirus relief package in march but scheduled to expire at the end of the year, under the coronavirus relief package our legislation will be extended for an additional five years. the covid relief package includes senator cornyn's protection act which i cosponsored. this legislation will ensure that small businesses that qualify for forgiveness and their loans can still deduct their ordinary business expenses on their taxes. the relief package includes legislation i introduced this summer with senator enzi that will establish antifraud measures in the pandemic assistance program so the beneficiaries are truly eligible for the program. mr.

: my name is dave warner, thank you for your public service, the commission, and thank you again for your november 30th workshop. as you look for a new general manager, whether it be mr. carlin or otherwise, please make a top criteria to be demonstrated success between water agencies and environmental groups. the staff record on this front has not been great under mr. kelly. the first example is positive. environmental groups had concerns about dr. david's socio-economic analysis regarding the impact of the bay delta plan. meetings were arranged with dr. sunday, and what dr. sunday still fully believes in his analysis, the s.f. p. has been downplaying much of its work. staff presented to the board a number of misleading statements about the bay delta plan. the staff lost credibility and didn't help its relationship with environmental groups. the third is negative. peter presented a proposal that preserved the design objectives, but allowed for additional water to be released in the river, based on demand. this seemed like a win/win proposal, but mr. kelly cited several objections, and staff suits haven't shown any interest. the fourth negative, which you experienced