people in this country well you are absolutely right because when i when i read this quote from mr willett into came to my mind that in the surgery terms we didn't even see disabled people into the streets and i worked two and talked to a lot with foreigners who came to the soviet union and they said you don't have any disabled people i mean everybody is healthy in this country and i said probably not but they don't they just they just don't mix that they just don't go out is it true that this was the policy of the soviet government starting from this time and times because i wrote somewhere that after the war. of stalin who was the head of the service they didn't want to see or didn't want the russians to see victims of the war among us yes this was the policy to drive them away from these trees from big cities is it true that this was government policy yes yes yes yes as far as i'm aware first started shortly after the end of the world war two problem manton's forces eight four to seven well i mean i'm not sure about there was a dead and the whole idea of us to give the whole society the

to the minister for universities and science, my right honorable friend the member for havant (mr willettss i say it now, that there are indeed many progressive things in the proposals. the levels at which graduates will have to make a contribution, the measures for part-time students and the £21,000 threshold are very welcome. i fully acknowledge all those things, but we need to debunk a myth. all those positive things, which are in the proposals and are progressive in terms of the graduate contribution, do not need to be tied to a huge increase in fees. that is simply a non sequitur. it is simply not true to say, "you cannot have one without the other," and that is the crucial flaw in the government's argument today. the secretary of state knows, and we all know, that there is much confusion about the proposals, but is that not another reason to have more time for the government to try to convince people? he and all ministers who support the proposals today have to accept that they have not won the argument, and rushing things through, given the concern and anxiety about how it has been