mr. woodson: there are people that are just broke. they lost their jobs. have character intact but a look at the disincentives to work. therefore they make a decision to withdraw because the price is too hard. three would be people who were physically or mentally disabled. we need to take care of them. category four is the poor person who is poor because they engage in risky behavior. they are the ones that are filling the jails. they are the ones that are committing the crimes. the people that the center for neighborhood enterprise serves are the people who specialize in category four. they are in some of the most drug infested, crime-ridden neighborhoods and they have created islands of excellence in these neighborhoods. when jack kemp helped us for 10 inrs, he helped us generate crime-ridden public housing and they drove out drug dealers. they put 600 kids through college. yet not one researchers ever came to the community to examine what these groups did to help themselves. mr. scarborough: talk about with kemp did in helping you find the moral leaders

joe: so give us the four -- mr woodson: there's four categories. there are people who are just broke. they lost their job, factories moved out. are the poor people who character is intact but as you said, they look at the disincentives to work and, therefore, they make a decision to withdraw from those because hard.rice is too category 3 would be people who are physically or mentally disabled. e need to find a way to take care of them. category 4 is the poor person ho's poor because they engaged in risky behavior. they are the ones that are filling the jails, and they are the ones committing the crime. the people that the center for neighborhood enterprise serves and the people you met are the people who specialize in category 4. they're in some of the most drug-infested crime-ridden neighborhoods, and they have created islands of excellence in these neighborhoods. when jack kemp helped us, public housing, resident management. us 10 years, jack helped generate within the crime in public housing, they drilled out the drug dealers, sent 600 kids hrou

mr. woodson very much and what he is saying. we need to get rid of the boxes on the applications. let somebody's character and mindset and work ethic go through the interview process, and prove that they are worthy of the job. at the same time, running for mayor in north carolina dealing with an inner-city african-american community, i understand what i read for on the republican ticket. it would be hard for me to advertise myself to the upper echelon of caucasians. it was not hard for me to do that. in there and characterize myself. i gave my mindset and my viewpoints. i was endorsed by many parties and conservative groups. i think that the stigma with the black community is that republicans are all, greedy and selfish. out for themselves. do not care about anybody. it is about individual assist and personal responsibility. once the inner-city blacks get to that point of understanding is the responsibility getting to that point, going through obstacles, going to trials and tribulations, the mindset will get to the point where it is ok. i can strive and make a good point of an opp

mr. woodson very much and what he is saying. we need to get rid of the boxes on the applications.t somebody's character and mindset and work ethic go through the interview process, and prove that they are worthy of the job. at the same time, running for mayor in north carolina dealing with an inner-city african-american community, i understand what i read for on the republican ticket. it would be hard for me to advertise myself to the upper echelon of caucasians. it was not hard for me to do that. in there and characterize myself. i gave my mindset and my viewpoints. i was endorsed by many parties and conservative groups. i think that the stigma with the black community is that republicans are all, greedy and selfish. out for themselves. do not care about anybody. it is about individual assist and personal responsibility. once the inner-city blacks get to that point of understanding is the responsibility getting to that point, going through obstacles, going to trials and tribulations, the mindset will get to the point where it is ok. i can strive and make a good point of an opport

mr. speaker -- i have not seen him since he became speaker. congratulations. our country is better off. [applause] governor bush: we share a common bond. inspired by jack kemp in the political realm and meeting bob woodson, not as governor, but as a person seeking knowledge and truth in the 1990's, i became sensitized to the fact that poverty is a lot more complex than what the smart people in washington describe it as. it is not just economic. there are all sorts of limits to people's aspirations. how you deal with it is important. compassion is not measured by how much money you spend through washington through a big and -- administrative bureaucracy and send it back down to other bureaucrats filling out forms to eventually get back into the community. compassion is, in the greek sense, acting on your sense of consciousness. the only way we can become a more just society is from the bottom up, where people act on their sense of consciousness together. in also the ways i've learned that. one of the ways was in 1977, i set up one of the first charter schools in the state of florida. the law was passed in 1996. i helped lobby for that. with the urban league of greater miami, i set up the liberty city cha

mr. ryan: thanks, everybody. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2016] >> and on tomorrow's "washington journal," robert woodson of the center for neighborhood enterprise will discuss the conservative approach to reducing poverty in the united states. after that, author and pbs host tavis smiley on his new book "the covenant with black america: 10 years later," examining the last decade since he and others laid out a plan to address issues facing the black community. plus we'll take your calls, facebook comments and tweets, all live on "washington journal" here at 7:00 eastern. >> featured this weekend on american history tv on c-span3. saturday night at k eastern on lectures and history, arizona state university proftsor brook simpson on the president's wartime role, including wars waged without formal congressional declaration. >> it's the president's job to educate, to ex-ing plain, educate, the president will say, i know you don't understand this. it's really not any reason you should have understood that. it was in a place far, far away with people who speak a different language and so i'm going to explain

mr. ryan -- excuse me, speaker. we share a common bond. i think inspired by jack kemp in the political realm and meeting bob woodson not as a governor but as a person seeking knowledge and seeking ruth in the 1990's, i became sensitized to the fact that poverty is a lot more complex than the smart people in washington describe it as. it's not just economic. there are all sorts of limits. two people's aspirations. it's -- and how you deal with it is important. compassion is not measured by how much money you spend through washington through a big administrative bureaucracy and send it back down to other bureaucrats filling out forms to eventually get back into a community. compassion is in the greek sense is acting on your sense of consciousness and the only way we're going to become a more just society is from the bottom up, where people act on their sense of consciousness together to give people a chance to rise up. that was -- in all sorts of ways i learned that. one of the ways i did it, paul, in 1997 i set up the first -- one of the first four charter schools in the state of florida. the law was passed in 1996. the foundation i was a p

mr. speaker i have not seen him since then it congratulations. [applause] we share a common bond inspired by jack kemp in the political realm in meeting bob woodsontruth in the 1990's that party is a lot more complex than what the smart people -- people in washington describe it there are limits and how you deal with it is important. compassion is not measured by how much money you spend in washington through a bureaucracy to send it to other bureaucrats to fill out forms but compassion is acting on your consciousness in the only way to becoming more just society is they give people a chance to rise up. i learned that. in 1997 in a set up one of the first for charter schools in the state of california at the law was passed that lobbied for that then i set up the liberty city charter school it was a phenomenal experience because this little school of 90 kids just outside of liberty city cop parents to create the culture of the school they want to have a contract for every parent had to have sold any number of hours they voluntarily wanted to have this happen but the school district wanted corporal punishment. but we got it done in a way that neede

mr. winser -- >> duncan. >> i know that we didn't ever look at this issue. i'm sorry. i'm reading the wrong one. i apologize. but do you really think that any state would have not applied woodson retroactively? they all did. >> probably not, your honor. but the question -- that, of course, is a pre-teague case. it raises the question is woodson substantive or procedural under teague? and our argument is it's a procedural rule. >> it just said you couldn't have mandatory death penalties. just like here u, you can't have mandatory life without parole. >> it required an individual sentencing process which we say is a procedure. >> to give sentences less than mandatory death. but they could have still given death. >> they certainly could have. so the question is whether is it substantive or procedural under thepre-teague rubric. it raises the question, is it a watershed procedural rule? >> that's the language -- bedrock is -- i don't think is the right language because that was the language he referred to in a sentence in mackey, correct. i've just been looking it up. but then in teague itself, justice o'connor tries to get the right words. and what she ends up with here is that t