the secretary general of the organization for security and cooperation in europe mr zinni the always see was created as an organization to facilitate the dialogue between east and west during the cold war and to some extent this divide ideological divide still remains and some may even argue that it has exacerbated in recent years in fact these recent toggle for between russia and the european union over ukrainian future may be seen as one example of that what do you think are we witnessing the formation of this new divide between istana west and europe because there's talk about. and what we see is that the relations between the key players a group of players in the us see space not necessarily become any easier in recent times and. in the process of the east the neighborhood and the development than in the run up to the ability of some meat has been as we have seen a. phase of. how can i say development of relationship between russia and the european union was not ideal so they're simply witnessing something that is at an inn in the us the space and what we're. asking ourselves is

lumpier to the new year secretary general of the organization for security and cooperation in europe mr zinni or thank you very much for a time we are speaking in key of the capital of ukraine ricci's overtaken by protesters who disagree with barack government's decision not to align itself a bit more closely with europe and so far at least it's been relatively bloodless there's been a couple of clashes but. thankfully no casualties even though both sides accused each other of violating the law i wonder how do you draw the line between. a democratic protest and a riot and isn't it's similar it's you know you know that distinction between terrorism and freedom fighting you know something that is essentially in the eye of the behold there i would say there is no absolute rule and certainly one cannot come from outside and say this is this is the line and each country has to find its own way its own way and strike its own balance. in the u.s. see this is a debate where we're having internally of course and what we see is that different countries see this differently and in fact they tend to draw