mr. abdul natala, happened to have a u.s. visa what that had more entry permissions on it. happened to come to the attention of aqap. they gave him a lot of money. they said to the underwear bomber get to the united states somewhere and blow it up. his father came to the embassy and interestingly said, "i'm worried about my son. he may be radicallized." and that information coupled with other information could have directed us to him quicker than it did. but that's the man, and there were eight or 10 things which we almost got him, didn't quite. luckily, because of this intense pressure, he hadn't had much training, didn't know how to use his explosives and he was nervous. he was not the sort of trained for months as the 9/11 bombers were. >> rose: is there around end game-- is this going to be an internal struggle or is there an end game here? how does this ongoing struggle with terrorism play itself out? >> it ends when islam decides that this small group of extremist viewpoints is not acceptable. >> rose: no longer allow someone to hijack their religion. >> exactly. >> r