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mr. ackerman. i recognize mr. burton. >> thank you, madam chairman. or chair. thank you for -- >> prefer as your excellency. [laughter] >> thank you for having this hearing. i'm going to ask a couple of questions and yield to my friend mr. smith. first of all, you may have answered this question, mr. yang. but you have any idea how many people are in communist gulags? >> it's really difficult that number. so for the reason, and i talk about prison system. i talk to to present system. one is official. through the court you can get record of how many people they detain. but there's another prison system that is like joe. there are hundreds of them in china now, run by local government at various level. so we just cannot know, cannot find it how many people are being detained. on top of that, many people are missing, and many people are being put under house arrest. so we just don't know how many people. >> we've been told it's in the millions, and i presume you would agree with that. >> i don't have specific number, and i would say many. i would say china has mos

mr. ackerman. i recognize mr. burton. >>hank you, madam chairman. or chair. thank you for -- >> prefer as your excellency. [laughter] >> thank you for having this hearing. i'm going to ask a couple of questions and eld to my friend mr. smith. first of all, you may have answered this question, mr. yang. but you have any idea how many pele are in communist gulags? >> it's really difficult that number. so for the reason, and i talk about prison system. i talk to to present system. one is official. through the court you c get record of how many people they detain. but there's another prison system that is like joe. there are hundreds of them in china now, run by local government at various level. so we just cannot know, cannot find it how many people are being detained. on top of that, many people are missing, and many people are being put under house arrest. so we just don't know how many people. >> we've been told it's in the millions, and presume you would agree with that. >> i don't have specific number, and i would say many. i would say china has most prison