i agree with mr. akins once you close a plant it is not reversible. we have people moving to other plants, moving to other parts of the industry and leaving the industry as a whole. we firmly believe the issues need to be address and congress needs to address this double jeopardy issues. baseload power plants are the heart of the industry. even the most clean and efficient plants, we know clinton nuclear facility ran at 100% efficiency and lost $30 million. if that doesn't tell you something is wrong with the market, i don't know what does. we have a situation where the only plants that can be built is gas. putting all of our eggs in a vo volitile basket. we saw many situations where less maintenance and people and we were not able to bring some units online because of that. and one plant starts the unit with gas, a coal plant, and they were not able stto get gas and turn the unit on. thank you. >> chairman hill. >> good morning. i am thad hill and the president of calp corporation and next month i will become the ceo as well. we are an independent po

i want to ask a question, and this is probably directed to you, mr. akins, and you, mr. hill. we are talking about what is happening with the move from coal-fired plants to gas-fired plants. i think he spoke, mr. hill, to really what is online in terms of investment out there. but how confident are we that we are going to have a gas pipeline infrastructure that can be placed in service in time to allow these new gas facilities to enter when we need them for reliability? i'm concerned about how this all mixed together, and i'm not convinced that we've got a real good handle on what the investors are doing with great opportunities to move to gas, but how do we get from here to there? >> we've been retiring generation can we put in 5000 megawatts of natural gas facilities, and it's very clear that when you go through that process it has been done in a very measured way because you're not only look at the resource itself, you're looking at the deliverability shortly from a natural gas perspective if we're going to depend more on natural gas as even a base load type of fuel, we nee

i totally agree with mr. akinsand we know from the inside that it is an irreversible thing and we have people moving to other plants and we have people moving to other parts of the industry and people getting out of the industry as a. we firmly believe that we need to address some of the issues and the congress needs to address this double jeopardy issue. power plants are the heart of the industry trade hold fire and even the most clean and most efficient, we know that clinton's nuclear facilities are not 100% efficiency last year and lost $30 million in common sense needs to tell people that there's something wrong with the market, i don't know what else would. we have a situation right now and i agree with senator joe manchin that putting all our eggs in one basket, i have been told that there are no long-term contracts and that we saw many situations where we are doing less maintenance and we have less people and we weren't able to bring some of this online because of that. and so there was one plan that starts