mr. armstrong say? >> he did say, you know, if we're going to the tour, we've got to -- we've got to perform. we need the results. >> what did that mean? >> i think he just said -- you didn't have to be a rocket scientist to figure it out, you know? if we were going to be competitive, there was only one road to take. >> was there a discussion about doping in any way with mr. swart? >> the only aspect that is true is that he was on the team. beyond that, not true. >> the doping allegations arose in a case brought by lance armstrong against an insurer based in dallas, texas, who provided huge bonuses paid to armstrong for winning the tour de france in successive years. >> these are the checks making the first two payments under the contract. these checks represent when he won on the fourth and the fifth, making those payments for $1.5 million and then $3 million. >> attorney jeff tillotson represented the insurer who refused to pay a further $5 million when armstrong won his sixth tour de france in 2004.

mr. armstrong, my name is jeff tillotson. jeff tillotson has done something usada was unable to do. >> whether it's a blessing or a curse, i'm the only lawyer to have taken sworn testimony from lance armstrong and for him to deny using performance enhancing drugs. >> you understand even though you're in the conference room of your lawyers' you're giving testimony as if you were in a court of law? >> correct. >> and that penalties of perjury attach to this deposition just as they would in a court of law. >> of course. >> now, stunning sworn depositions from lance armstrong and other key witnesses. evidence that later laid the foundation for later investigations, including usada's. >> armstrong has the advantage here. he's on the right side of these riders. >> lance armstrong's dream was to win the tour de france. >> lance armstrong, his first tour de france, they all said he was too young! >> in his first tour he won a stage. but three years later it looked like his dream had died. in this film for his cancer charity livestrong

mr. armstrong where he said anything about performance enhancing drugs?>> do you have any recollection of any doctor in your presence asking mr. armstrong if he used in the past any performance enhancing drugs or substances? >> no. >> stephanie mcilvain gave her sworn deposition at oakley's headquarters in california. the year before out of the blue, she had received a phone call from an american cycling legend. >> hello. >> stephanie? >> yeah. >> this is greg lemond calling. >> greg who? >> greg lemond. >> how are you? >> how you doing. >> greg lemond in the leader's yellow jersey. >> greg lemond was a three-time winner of the tour de france who insisted he never took drugs. lemond had fallen out with lance armstrong who he suspected of doping. and in 2004, he and stephanie mcilvin spoke about what occurred in the hospital. >> i heard from a source outside of the group here of what happened at the hospital, and betsy and i have talked a little bit, but -- and i'm not asking you to do anything you would never want to do, but, you know, if i did get down t

mr. armstrong, how did you feel? in only the way mr. could, he would tilt his head and put his hand on there and say, well, when the gauge says and the, we all know there is a gallon or two left in the tank. [laughter] there is a man who has always been in control of his own destiny. that, ladies and gentlemen, is a vintage neil armstrong. the fate looked down kindly on this when she chose neil to be the first adventurer to another world, and to have the opportunity to look back from space at the beauty of our own. it could have been another. but it was not. it was not for a reason. no one, but no one could have accepted the responsibility of his remarkable accomplishment with more dignity and mark grace the neil armstrong. -- more grace than neil armstrong. he embodied all that is good and all that is great about america. neil, wherever you are up there, almost half a century later you have now shown once again the pathway to the stars. it is now for you a new beginning. but for us, i will promise you, it is not the end. and as you sort

mr. armstrong, why are you here? neil's honest reply was, because you are here.is astronaut wings. he was special to these young kids and old ones as well. he never received his astronaut wings. it was a tradition of those in the military. it was on the uss eisenhower back in 2010 on our way to afghanistan that neil finally did receive the tribute that he deserved. his visibly moved response said it all. and i quote, i have never been more proud than when i earned my navy wings of gold. i have got to believe there are a few golden eagles in the audience who will second those words. selfg to get neil's inner was always a challenge for almost anyone, maybe everyone. when asked, mr. armstrong, how did you feel? when looking for a place to land with only a few seconds remaining? in only the way mr. armstrong could, he would tilt his head and put his hand on there and say, well, when the gauge says "empty" we all know there is a gallon or two left in the tank. [laughter] there is a man who has always been in control of his own destiny. that, ladies and gentlemen, is a

mr. stockton. >> douglas shugrue, marjorie armstrong's attorney, says there's good reason the fbi wants to keep quiet jay stockton. >> do you think he is the one person who got away with this? >> yes. he got immunity from the government, free and clear. convicted sex offender. convicted multi-time sex offender. the government felt he was the least involved person and so they gave him immunity. >> they shouldn't have gave him immunity. he didn't deserve immunity. he deserved -- he's the guilty one that killed my brother. he deserved to be brought to justice. >> stockton has been featured on the television show, "america's most wanted." private investigators have tried to track him down but stockton has literally vanished, at least that is what he may have thought, until the day we found him. these are pictures of stockton today, two hours north of seattle, down a side street in bellingham, washington, we found stockton where he told our investigator he's been living in this duplex for the past six years but was soon about to leave. a week later, we spotted him leaving the duplex in a pickup truck. we

armstrong has been dropped by his own cancer charity. ouch. we'll have an update on that >> greg: the president's press conference. >> kristy parsons. >> hey. >> thank you, mr. president. and congregations, by the way. >> kristy was there when i was running for state senate. >> that's right, i was. >> kristy and i go back a ways. >> i've seen never you lose. i wasn't looking that one time. >> there you go. >> greg: yeah. think i'm going to cry or possibly be sick. keep in mind that this was ways his presser at the white house in eight months. joining me to reek, my fellow tiny co-host from "the five" and former white house press secretary for president george w. bush, dana perino. two of us together, still don't equal bill's height. >> does bill know you're here playing dress up? >> greg: no, not at all. i don't know if this is being taped. >> we're on equal standing here. >> greg: i want to ask you, congratulations in a presser. you're like miss manners. wouldn't a thank you note suffice? this is a serious press conference and it's like she's meeting justin bieber. >> every time i see the clip, i cringe a little bit. the president is very good. very charmi

armstrong. just before 11. >> lawmakers continue to address the so-called fiscal cliff, grover norquist out and president of americans for tax reform recently spoke about the negotiations at the 2012 election results. mr. norquist is known for the pledge for getting signatories from a green to any tax increases to reduce the deficit. this hour 20 minute event was hosted by the center for the national interest. >> i am delighted to have grover norquist with us. grover, of course is president of americans for tax reform, but in the spirit of full disclosure, grover is also a member of our board of directors and a very import and college. grover spoke here several months ago, i should say here at the center, but not exactly in this room, because we just have moved it to american progress. i apologize in advance. i'm sure we will do better next time. however, grover spoke at the center several months ago, and he talked about taxes. he talked about u.s. economic policy, but that was about taxes and the electoral campaign. now we've had elections, and the tax center is at the center for a very important political debate and, of course, the dissent between the obama administration and the congress, particula