mr. baghdadi were interned and got the lessons of how to practice what zarka wi preached.otice everything that isis does is the result of method and approach, even though we kill would him in the military, you can't kill an ideal. and this is gone to syria and back in 2014 into northern iraq. >> plenty of fingers are pointed in the obama administration for reducing the troops in the iraqi theater. but you say the bush administration shares the blame? >> i think it is two presidencies, but the obama administration when they pulled out in 2011, they let the chips fall where they may and they did fall with the shia government coming in the north and the banging hard on the sunni. and by then, what was once as general petraeus told us was reduced to 37 members of za rkowis goes to syria and builds themselves up and grabbed raqqan and creates a state, a caliphate and move through northern iraq tis a story when you see is and when you make it. you are astonished about what was known and not done about the growth of isis. >> and you know, we've seen the beheadings. we have seen t