mr. bainwol: i am not an engineer. is is a zone i am not going to give a great specific answer on so let me come back to you in writing very shortly. mr. johnson: ok. thank you. and i yield back. mr. issa: i thank jat. you know, i -- i thank the gentleman. you know, i had two of you say you are not engineers, but i want to talk about something for a moment that's a little complex and make it simple. in the aviation space, collision avoidance of all sorts has been around for a long time. it started with the large commercial scheduled aircraft, and then little by little has come down. one of those technologies, adsb, is in fact mandated now in just a few years for all aircraft. and it's a cute name. i said it forever but now i have to say it's automatic dependent surveillance broadcast. absb. or adsb out. now, that technology in short says, here's where i am and it sends it out to everybody. the f.a.a. regulates. other aircraft, well, they're sending out where they are, receive where you are. makes for a very exact g.p.s.

mr. bainwol: this is not to contradict, but just to clarify. gary used the words about fatalities in cars as of cars are killing people. i want to clarify that 95% maybe 98% or 99% of the fatalities on the roads are result of environmental challenges and human error. the car itself worked rather beautifully. and the critical point that we would both embrace -- rep. issa: i think he was talking about antilock breaks traction control, all the items that come out that have reduced the death rate in all too flawed drivers. mr. bainwol: we are very proud of those technologies, we want to see the move into the fleet as soon as possible. those technologies are the answer to human error, which is a huge problem. rep. issa: mr. reed, said you -- since you were given credit for development of apps, your members wanting to be able to develop apps depend on either an open standard or, in the alternative, being able to come if you will, hack it able to -- hack in order to create interfaces because otherwise you are locked out of interfaces with the automobi