mr. barnett? >> approximately 2.5 to 3 million man hours. >> mr. burton? >> can you hear me? >> yes. >> we're probably a little bit on the low side. i did a quit math just the numbers we're talking about. about 63,000. we're probably the lowest trade. >> in my 5 seconds, ringo, i want to say i support the research and development and al-gil, in fact, university of nebraska, i've helped them get some grants to do research. i hope you are very successful in your operations. i actually have a bill, too, to allow biofuels. under current law, the loan program can only go to gas and oil pipelines. i've got a bill -- would you agree -- how would you feel if the bill that would allow pipelines would be built to carry fuels from those made from algae? >> well, i think it's important that we first have to give consideration to whether there's going to be any adverse impact of building any type of pipeline. >> okay. >> for the people that live in the closest proximity. >> fair answer. at this time i think it's mr. ingle, the gentleman from new york, is recognized for five minutes. oh, m

mr. barnett, do you mind if we start with you? so at this time, mr. barnett, if you would give us your statement. five minutes. go ahead. >> thank you, congressman gary. good morning chairman, with you, members of subcommittee, my name is david barnett and other special purpose in which an association of plumbers and pipefitters trip is this more hundred 40,000 members in the united states and canada. i want to thank you for laying me to testify today. on a personal note i am a third generation 35 year member of the united association. i began my career 35 years ago on the trans-atlantic pipeline project alongside my father, pipelines is all it ever constructed, and i guess that's what brought me here today. united association is the leading trade union representing piping crescent and pipeline workers in the united states and canada. my home local unit, 798 based in tulsa, oklahoma, is a nationwide local pipelines. which would comprise the largest single craft working on the keystone xo project. as an organization united association invest over $200 m

mr. barnett, the you mind if we start with you? -- do you mind if we start with you? could you give us your statement? five minutes, go ahead. >> thank you, congressman terry. members of the subcommittee, my name is david barnett. i am a special representative of the association of plumbers and pipefitters, which represents more than 3000 -- 30,000 members in the u.s. and canada. i am a third generation, 35-year member of the united association. i began my career on the trans alaska pipeline project. pipelines are all i have constructed and that is what brought me here today. the united association is the leading trainer -- trade unit, representing pipeline units -- pipeline workers, in the u.s. and canada. there is a nationwide local which would comprise the largest single craft, working on the project. we invest roughly $200 million in training, to insure our members are the most highly skilled our industry has to offer. the united association strongly supports the keystone xl pipeline for several good reasons. it is a project that represents billions of dollars of

mr. barnett, you talked about the transporting the fuel is overland if you do not have a pipeline. did i cast a part of your testimony correctly? >> i think that was mr. soth. >> but i did understand that correctly. you testified that there is an inherent risk to overland transport of petroleum products. >> that is right. the environmental review for keystone xl suggest that fatality is 87 times more likely with tanker trucks as compared to pipeline. i believe it was 37 times more likely to cause a fire and or explosion that a pipeline. >> my congressional districts it's in north texas -- interstate 35 runs right to the heart of my district -- about three years ago we had a tanker truck that jackknife and hit a concrete wall -- concrete wall in the middle of the freeway. there were significant loss of life. impressive in that there were so many people that were suddenly and mobile once they got into that -- and mobile -- immobile. once they got into that mess, but could not get out. your upper of rush hour. this one went home for a long time. i could see an upside to get this off ou

mr. david barnett, who is a special representative, united association of journeyman and apprentices of theumbing and pipe fitting industry of the united states and canada, pipeline division. we have mr. bruce burden he was international representative for the international brotherhood of electrical workers. we have mr. jerome ringo who's the chief business officer of bard holdings incorporated. and then we have ms. jane kleeb, executive director of bold nebraska. so once again, we welcome all of you. we're going to recognize each one of you for five minutes for your opening statement. on the front, in the middle of the desk is a little light. when it goes red in your five minutes are up. so we will try to get to these opening statements before we have boats on the floor, and i don't know if we will be successful or not, but mr. pourbaix, i will recognize you for five minutes for your opening statement. >> be sure to put your microphone on. >> transcanada is a $50 billion energy infrastructure company with more than 60 years of experience and responsible to feldman and reliable operation th